What if I use only imap clients? Is that considered "not logging in"? Haven't seen them address this
An update to storage policies across your Google Account
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Re: An update to storage policies across your Google Account
#182The same happened to my old "...@hotmail.com" email, Microsoft deleted old childhood emails, still bitter about that. Per https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/oemail... , the limit is 365 days of inactivity.
When Yahoo bought rocmketmail the same happened to me but I think it was 6 months
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Also a massive security hole. I needed to do a password reset on my old ebay account, but the hotmail account it was attached to was deleted, so I just created a new hotmail account with the same name, and reset my password. I've done this maybe three or four time, because I haven't used hotmail since high school, so they keep deleting it. A lot of people also have password resets on gmail linked to their old hotmail…
Omg, yikes. Email is the universal "password reset" mechanism for the whole web too. Re-using emails sounds like a bad plan just from the start, surprised services allow that.
To be fair, email account providers - and particularly free ones like hotmail/yahoo/gmail - never agreed to be your partner providing banking/military grade security to the rest of your online accounts. Same as how your telco never agreed to have SMS be a secure protocol for 2FA or password resets.[1]
Far from being surprised free email services "allow reusing emails", I'm way more surprised that orgs like banks and PayPal and crypto exchanges allow using email or sms as "secure reset or 2FA" protocols.
1: http://www.itnews.com.au/news/telcos-declare-sms-unsafe-for-...
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also a massive security hole. I needed to do a password reset on my old ebay account, but the hotmail account it was attached to was deleted, so I just created a new hotmail account with the same name, and reset my password. I've done this maybe three or four time, because I haven't used hotmail since high school, so they keep deleting it. A lot of people also have password resets on gmail linked to their old hotmail…
Omg, yikes. Email is the universal "password reset" mechanism for the whole web too. Re-using emails sounds like a bad plan just from the start, surprised services allow that.
I've gotten bitten by Google locking me out of an account because I hadn't logged into it in a long time, and the device that I used to log into it was stolen long ago. Even though I have full access to the recovery email address on that account, because it's an unknown device, Google blocks me from accessing it.
In a similar way but a different mechanism, I also had the same thing happen with some accounts which I had opened up using my mobile phone number. I have struggled with mental illness throughout my life, and one of the things that can happen through crises in particular that can have vicious consequences is having no ability to regulate your behavior, in particular your finances, so you easily and quickly wrack up debt, cash out retirement accounts and blow through all that money, and being unable to pay your phone bill (or any other bill) leads you to losing that phone number, and any account which you access through that number.
The systems that we use as a society to authenticate identity for access to digital services and systems, is incredibly punishing to people who struggle with mental health issues. It's a bit of an own goal, since some of the potential solutions to it are potentially technical in nature rather than requiring legislative or societal action.
That said, the difficulties presented by the digital world to people who struggle with mental illness pale in comparison to those they face in the physical world, and how ineffective the society, governments, and medicine are at helping those people, sometimes hurting them in that process through lack of training, ability, and the flaws in the design of the overall systems.
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I lost my free Hotmail account of almost a decade when the limit was 30 days.
Yeah, that 30-day window was ridiculous. I lost my hotmail in 2006 after exclusively using gmail for 6 weeks. I'd like to know the origins of the policy. Who decided that if someone goes a few weeks without checking their email that they're either dead or no longer interested in using the internet?
It was a different MS back then, cloud services were still new, and companies were still figuring it out. Maybe the reasoning was to keep people afraid from using hotmail alternatives in fear of losing their accounts.
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#186The real statement is they will delete your data as they see fit with no explanation at all, right?
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#187Does anyone know what inactive means? What do I need to do to keep: gmail: receive, read and/or send photos: upload or view? etc...anything else would be appreciated.
Probably login... Send or upload would make sense too
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Backups and self-hosting! These threads keep coming up where [Cloud service] deletes someone's data, bans their account, or otherwise denies service suddenly, and someone always asks "What [other cloud service] should I utterly rely on?" Maybe the answer is to not rely on cloud services to store the only copy of something precious or important to you.
Any specific packages you recommend for setting up email? I would think there is some docker container I can run in a VM and go about my business.
I have my own domain, and run exim+dovecot on a low spec Linux machine. This setup has run solidly for years. I serve E-mail for family and friends. When I first set it up, I had some deliverability problems, but once I had DKIM and SPF set up, it's been rock solid. No experience with containers or docker or any of that stuff, sorry.
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That's not correct. If you delete things they are actually deleted, though it does take a few months to be gone from everywhere. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19965615 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12980863 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809320 , etc) (Disclosure: I work for google, speaking only for myself)
I believe what you say that it gets deleted. What I am not sure is whether it gets copied somewhere else for long term storage or some data mining, thing that you may not be aware of. I doubt you know everything that happens at google but I might be wrong there as I don't know who exactly is that I am talking to. Regardless, google has lost my trust completely and am not sure if it is possible to recover it and go ba…
Yeah - I believe this person believes that a set of data in its original state gets full-deleted. I do not believe that that data, in all of its forms, gets deleted from all of its storage locations. I'd hazard a guess that Google doesn't even have the ability to know whether it's been fully deleted across all of its storage locations even if they wanted to.
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i've been meaning to buy a pro-quality photo printer... had the idea to host a party where people can pitch in for materials and i could print all our photos on nice archival paper and we'd spend an evening scrapbooking
If you just want the photos printed, a printing service will be much cheaper. You're paying a lot for the privilege of being able to print high quality photos in your own home.
You're not paying a lot if you manage to use your printer well!
O_______O's approach is based on a model of plenty, of trying to provide & share the production means they equip themselves with. It's good for others, & it encourages one to continue to reap the benefit of the investment, by continually printing photos. Marginal cost ought keep lowering for years & years.