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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by jeromegv »

bamboozled wrote: post #141
ceejayoz wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > for Emergency Use Authorization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_use_authorization > authorizes FDA to facilitate availability of an unapproved product, or an unapproved use of an approved product, during a declared state of emergency from one of several agencies or of a "material threat" by the Secretary of Homeland Security Rushed, yes, but via an existing set of rules for this sort of sc…

Wasn’t Remdesivir also given emergency approval and is now to be avoided ?

It's to be avoided because it doesn't seem to help, but it hasn't been shown to be harmful. Important distinction. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/who-recommends-aga...

But of course, FDA has been pressured by Trump so perhaps you can look at what other health agencies that don't have a despot screaming at them do with the vaccine.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by fractionalhare »

jdndbfbf wrote: post #169
bluGill wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take my chances. My sister-in-law is dead. A brother-in-law is still unsure if we can talk across a room without fainting (6 months ago he was running several miles a day). This is just in my tiny circle of close family. Thousands in a much larger sample of had the vaccine with no side effects anywhere near that bad.

n=1 is irrelevant I don't care about one persons experiences.

> I don't care about one persons experiences.

You're not wrong about anecdata. But there's a less callous way to respond to someone who just explained that two of their relatives are dead or seriously ill...

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by elicash »

tomohawk wrote: post #87

Thanks to Operation Warp Speed, the first 100m doses are paid for in the US, and at no cost. https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/explaining-operation-warp-sp...

Yeah, this is one of those places where Congress (providing funding) and the administration (providing leadership) and the private sector (doing the actual work) were able to work together.

I wish there were more examples of this type of thing. One area an effort like this is badly needed is for at-home rapid testing.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by massysett »

peteradio wrote: post #171
ghaff wrote: post #97

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I fully expect that once it is widely available (major caveat), many workplaces and schools will require it absent medical exceptions. Certainly, most schools require vaccinations today and I don't expect there will be a lot of sympathy for those that want to hold off.

Most schools require vaccines which have been in circulation for a long long time and presumably whose long term risks are well understood. I think it would be pretty stupid to force mass vaccinate such a rushed vaccine, don't you think?

A lot less stupid than continuing with "distance learning".

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by jeromegv »

White_Wolf wrote: post #92
iakh wrote: post #79

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If it's the same as all of them then should we expect the same consequences as the N1H1 vaccine in 2009/2010? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcoleps...

From the link you posted:

In 2018, a study team including CDC scientists analyzed and published vaccine safety data on adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines (arenaprix-AS03, Focetria-MF59, and Pandemrix-AS03) from 10 global study sites. Researchers did not detect any associations between the vaccines and narcolepsy.

Incidence rate study data did not show a rise in the rate of narcolepsy following vaccination except in the one signaling country included (Sweden, which used Pandemrix). Case-control analyses for Arepanrix-AS03 did not show evidence of an increased risk of narcolepsy. Case-coverage analysis for Pandemrix-ASO3 in children in the Netherlands did not show evidence of an increased risk of narcolepsy, but the number of exposed cases was small (N=7). Cases-control analysis for Focetria-MF59 did not show evidence of an increased risk of narcolepsy.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by supercanuck »

tjpnz wrote: post #176

How would one explain to a Facebook addict why they should get the vaccine and that it's not a Bill Gates/NWO conspiracy to sterilise them?

I had this same thought experiment, let’s assume this vaccine were 95% effective and the government sent a tablet to everyone in the mail.

What would the outcome be?

I posed this question to Soccer Dads and immediately was told they wouldn’t risk the long term effects of a vaccine.

Same dads that wouldn’t wear a mask and don’t fear the unknown long term effects of COVID

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by ijidak »

jdndbfbf wrote: post #169
bluGill wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take my chances. My sister-in-law is dead. A brother-in-law is still unsure if we can talk across a room without fainting (6 months ago he was running several miles a day). This is just in my tiny circle of close family. Thousands in a much larger sample of had the vaccine with no side effects anywhere near that bad.

n=1 is irrelevant I don't care about one persons experiences.

> I don't care about one persons experiences

While your math is sound, your empathy is horrendous.

How about, "I'm so sorry about your loss. But it doesn't change the fact that..."

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by bamboozled »

jeromegv wrote: post #181
bamboozled wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t Remdesivir also given emergency approval and is now to be avoided ?

It's to be avoided because it doesn't seem to help, but it hasn't been shown to be harmful. Important distinction. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/who-recommends-aga... But of course, FDA has been pressured by Trump so perhaps you can look at what other health agencies that don't have a despot screaming at them do with the vaccine.

This, there's been so much lying and distrust lately I think this is why vaccine news is treated with some skepticism and not with joy.
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