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Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by MatekCopatek »

khawkins wrote: post #180
MatekCopatek wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on both counts, I don't think worshipping celebrities is doing us much good. But the fact is that we (as a society) currently do it, so it seems unfair to be upset when they use their platform for something political.

It's always fair to be upset when people use a powerful platform to spread ill-considered ideas, slander, and/or divisive rhetoric. Everyone agrees with this. If celebrities are significantly more likely to do this because they live sheltered lives and don't spend significant amounts of time considering what they call for, then they're more likely to use their platform irresponsibly. But the more prevalent issue is t…

It's one thing to be upset at a specific instance of a celebrity expressing a horrible opinion. I'm totally down with that.

What was commenting on here was a wider remark that celebrities should just avoid making political comments in general. "He's a football player, he should just play football. Keep politics out of sports."

This is the part I find unfair. If Kanye West has an opinion on global warming, we shouldn't reject it by default. If it's harmful, we should criticize it proportionaly to the reach of his platform (so... A lot). And if the negative effects get out of hand, we should be educating people on getting their environmental information from reliable sources, not limiting Kanye's freedom of speech.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by einpoklum »

cblconfederate wrote: post #40
burgerquizz wrote: post #21

Notepad++ is written by an immigrant (non-french native) . In https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news/a-propos-du-tweet-contre-... , the photo says: "Please uninstall Notepad++ if you voted for the National Front" (he was assuming the xenophobic party) Each release has a message on what he believes in: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/news

> I don't care if I lose users and I want you to know your Notepad ++ is written by an immigrant, and it pisses you off.

Well, all of humanity are immigrants to some extent: From Africa where the early primates lived to all the other continents. It's just a question of when we've arrived...

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by khawkins »

MatekCopatek wrote: post #181
khawkins wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always fair to be upset when people use a powerful platform to spread ill-considered ideas, slander, and/or divisive rhetoric. Everyone agrees with this. If celebrities are significantly more likely to do this because they live sheltered lives and don't spend significant amounts of time considering what they call for, then they're more likely to use their platform irresponsibly. But the more prevalent issue is t…

It's one thing to be upset at a specific instance of a celebrity expressing a horrible opinion. I'm totally down with that. What was commenting on here was a wider remark that celebrities should just avoid making political comments in general. "He's a football player, he should just play football. Keep politics out of sports." This is the part I find unfair. If Kanye West has an opinion on global warming, we shouldn'…

I'm not totally against, in general, artists and celebrities publicly sharing political opinions, but I am saying that those places which are supposed to be shared, places of common unity, shouldn't become places of polarization. Kanye West is welcome to have political opinions and go on podcasts and share them, but it would be inappropriate to bring them to something like the Grammys or a late-night talkshow. Colin Kaepernick is welcome to go to a BLM rally, but when he creates a spectacle of it on the field, he's wholly inconsiderate of those who don't agree with that sort of cop-hating message. People criticized him a lot for it, but is anything better for it?

These things aren't changing minds, they're just dividing people. People who agree with the messages feel good about it, and people who disagree turn away. Right-leaning people, who would otherwise hold Kaepernick in high regard as representing their city, now see him as an enemy, and he holds them in the same regard. This sort of thing is happening everywhere now, and it is what it is, but no one should be surprised when the country becomes increasingly polarized and uninterested in any sort of unity.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by olvy0 »

lucideer wrote: post #91
koheripbal wrote: post #55

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I'm not French, but even if I were and were a NF voter, I doubt I would care about his political tweets let alone uninstall the software as a result. ...as someone not involved in that political fight, I slightly worry that this will serve as a distraction for him in future project development, maybe lead to a broken release or a dev path and force me to look for a new tool - zeal often crowds out focus. ...but hey,…

> I persoanlly feel that publicly mixing work and politics is immature and bad for your resume, but to each his own. I think your opinion here is a commonly held one, which I find increasingly frustrating and bizarre. I personally feel that work and politics are by definition inextricably linked, and attempting to separate them as some sanctimonious attempt at taking moral highground is naïve (at best, insincere at w…

I'm not sure either. I find that (in my personal opinion), mixing work and politics, despite they're being linked, is to me a disturbing trait.

To be clear, I'm talking about office talk.

If a co-worker does it, it implies to me he or she are uncivilized, and cause themselves and other people embarrassment. When co-workers do it, I secretly think of it as farting in public, or vomiting your ideas on my shirt, or drooling your ideas. Political thought is important for me, and I have my opinions, but I do not want to force them on other people, not in direct conversation.

From experience, most people I know hold deep political convictions and couldn't be persuaded to see differently in a short office conversation, so it's short of pointless, a waste of words and a waste of my time and everyone else's, just so someone could farting his ideas in my general direction, and feel a bit better about himself / herself. Note that this is regardless of whether I agree with their ideas or not.

I do enjoy reading other people opinions, whether they are the same as mine or different, in forums such as NH. But the key thing here is that this is a thing I do of my own volition, in my own free time, not subjected to it. To contradict myself a bit: while I find Notepad++ author making a political statement with his software releases just a bit odd, it's not as disturbing as someone doing it in a direct conversation, and he also does it a pretty non-intrusive way, which I'm fine with. In a way I almost like it, it's sort of refreshing.

But that's just me. I'm not a very social person, though, so I guess my outlook might seem very bizarre to other, more social people.

Re: Notepad++ 7.9.1 – pour Samuel Paty

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Post by teraku »

khawkins wrote: post #178
teraku wrote: post #122

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The implied privilege and obliviousness about it in this comment make me mad.

That you assume I'm privileged because I want a more peaceful society suggests you will constantly seek to divide and set social groups against each other for the sake of some personal satisfaction.

No. I would love peace. I don't seek divide.

But saying that we "let politics be politics" is a privilege. If you are in a minority, either by choice or by birth, it's not that simple. Standing up against discrimination and making that one of our core beliefs should not be as controversial as you make it out to be. And it's great for you that you can just keep politics in "political space", go home and live in peace. But others can't turn racism they experience off. I would highly suggest watching this video of a psycho-social experiment [0].

[0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPZEJHJPwIw

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