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Post by burnthrow »

blhack wrote: post #167
burnthrow wrote: post #143

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"Has tech industry" is not the same as "new Silicon Valley." As defined by an insatiable need for new programmer blood. Phoenix is laughably far from having that. Seattle (mostly Amazon) and Austin in the last decade have come closest to that, and are still a far cry.

Silicon Valley is called that because it’s where all of the chip fabs were. They’ve not anymore, and with TSMC coming to Phoenix, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Phoenix is becoming the center of the microprocessor manufacturing industry in the US. The existing infrastructure here with machine shops, contractors, etc that build and maintain the fab equipment is an obvious reason why they chose this City.

Oh boy. I mean yes in the literal sense. But Intel's been in Phoenix forever, that doesn't mean Phoenix has long been another Silicon Valley.

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Post by mint2 »

effingwewt wrote: post #169
mint2 wrote: post #150

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As a CA native, I feel weird and out of place when in any area with a single overwhelmingly dominant ethnicity. Whether it’s the Midwest or Shanghai, it just feels weird like something is off. I’m just too used to very multicultural areas.

This comment makes no sense to me. All over California are neighborhoods (Chinatown) and entire cities (Rosemead) that segregated themselves because they wanted more familiarity, which makes sense.

Ehh what a nitpick. Okay I confess I grew up in the Bay Area not Redding or Yreka. Ca is massive so pardon me for referring to the areas most people associate with it, the bay area and La. anyway, yes there are neighborhoods that are monocultures, but they aren’t walled off ghazas where people’s movement is restricted. And even with some areas being clustered, there’s still a lot of dispersion. And that said, again CA is massive like many states, which non Californians probably overlook, and I wouldn’t enjoy living in quite a few areas even in the LA area. Looking at you palos verdes.

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Post by burnthrow »

KittenInABox wrote: post #179
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #172

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> They are as much a human being as you are and people are capable of change Totally agree. But these attitudes towards fellow people tend to pair with unproductive behaviours. Now, there are plenty of exceptions. Highly productive people with abhorrent views. But on average, acidic views tend to go with lower incomes at a population level. (I make no assertion on which way causation flows. And within a city, the rel…

> But on average, acidic views tend to go with lower incomes at a population level. (I make no assertion on which way causation flows. And within a city, the relationship breaks down.) This is classism and itself is abhorrent. As someone who lives in NYC, living in NYC and discussing abhorrent views in red states as correlated to income sounds utterly ridiculous on its face when we have our own corrupt NYPD (Stop and…

Note that parent is also one of the highest karma users on the site. What a community.

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Post by dariusj18 »

scruple wrote: post #180
dariusj18 wrote: post #171

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I get a disquiet feeling when I'm in old southern towns like Savanah, I didn't know why at first, until I realized it's because their society is still so segregated.

> I get a disquiet feeling when I'm in old southern towns like Savanah I love Savannah and Augusta. Those cities are a lot of fun. I spent time living in both in my early 20s. The segregation both is and isn't there. It's very strange. I think that the feeling you're describing is due to the ghost of slavery. It was always very hard for me to separate the history of the antebellum south from those two cities specific…

I eventually identified that the feeling came from a noticeable divide between the people working the service industry and the people consuming the service industry. Added to that, and probably linked as cause/effect, was different places seemed to "switch" who was there based on time of day.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by effingwewt »

KittenInABox wrote: post #178
effingwewt wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment makes no sense to me. All over California are neighborhoods (Chinatown) and entire cities (Rosemead) that segregated themselves because they wanted more familiarity, which makes sense.

Neighborhoods being segregated is much more different than entire geographical regions. People in those neighbourhoods still travel around. Also, Rosemead's most populace race according to wikipedia is only 60% asian. That's a far, far cry from 80-90+% white regions. (I should also note that the idea they wanted familiarity is just one part of why specific minorities live together. Another is because of the effects o…

All good points, I've been through both for a few days each recently and enjoyed myself. I wondered what the line is between a common community Vs forced segregation.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by effingwewt »

mint2 wrote: post #182
effingwewt wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment makes no sense to me. All over California are neighborhoods (Chinatown) and entire cities (Rosemead) that segregated themselves because they wanted more familiarity, which makes sense.

Ehh what a nitpick. Okay I confess I grew up in the Bay Area not Redding or Yreka. Ca is massive so pardon me for referring to the areas most people associate with it, the bay area and La. anyway, yes there are neighborhoods that are monocultures, but they aren’t walled off ghazas where people’s movement is restricted. And even with some areas being clustered, there’s still a lot of dispersion. And that said, again C…

As I said below to the other child, all good points and I wasnt trying to nitpick it just didn't make sense to me, perhaps it was just super early.

I love these areas and the cultures I dont have to travel afar to get a taste of.

I just found it odd as being in Rosemead the other day and then seeing that, probably just a crossed wire, my apologies.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by floor2 »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #28

A few years ago, there was a similar incentive scheme by a businessman to revitalize the Jewish congregation in Dothan, AL that he grew up in. The plan was launched with great fanfare (see here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/us/an-alabama-synagogue-o... ) but failed badly: https://www.timesofisrael.com/billionaires-scheme-to-revive-... None of the newcomers stayed, too much casual racism, no qualified jobs and b…

The irony of complaining about "racist " is amazing.

If you actually went and talked to these people instead of declaring they're evil, stupid and vile from far away, you might find they're actually decent humans and not the scary racist enemies you imagine them to be.

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Post by dvtrn »

ketamine__ wrote: post #168
dvtrn wrote: post #122

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Lived in one, now a resident in the other, Austin's downtown doesn't even compare to the downtown of the other major cities in its own state , if you even only talked about public transit. Going east to west is a nightmare of transfers, going north to south (in non-COVID times) is a nightmare of sitting on either Guadalupe for an hour to go two miles or sitting on Lamar for an hour to go two miles. And that's IF your…

I'm not anti-Austin. I would live there for a year if the cost of living was cut in half. I just don't think the value is there.

Oh my apologies, I was hoping to concur but not paint you as anti-Austin as an individual. Sorry if my eagerness to agree gave the wrong impression.

And I even agree with you hear, now: I'd very likely move back for the same reason and if the council would stop caving to vocal minorities representing "neighborhood councils" who seem quite effective at derailing transportation planning.

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Post by blhack »

burnthrow wrote: post #181
blhack wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silicon Valley is called that because it’s where all of the chip fabs were. They’ve not anymore, and with TSMC coming to Phoenix, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Phoenix is becoming the center of the microprocessor manufacturing industry in the US. The existing infrastructure here with machine shops, contractors, etc that build and maintain the fab equipment is an obvious reason why they chose this City.

Oh boy. I mean yes in the literal sense. But Intel's been in Phoenix forever, that doesn't mean Phoenix has long been another Silicon Valley.

The change is TSMC, and they specifically cited the existing size of the semiconductor industry in Phoenix as a reason.

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Post by pqoek »

Retric wrote: post #145
leetcrew wrote: post #90

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> It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. it's only odd if you think economic productivity is the sole determination of what makes a desirable place to live. regarding SF in particular, it's phenomenal wh…

That rate of property crime is a direct result of prosperity. In poor areas there is less stuff worth stealing and people spend more effort protecting it. The average house in Riverdale Chicago is worth less than the average car in Silicon Vally. People there make less money from armed robbery than someone can shoplift from a Silicon Valley Apple store. So shockingly with different risk/reward payoffs you get more pr…

I think you mean disparity
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