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Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by rlpb »

ceejayoz wrote: post #13
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I would be okay with someone being tried for murder over this shit. Isn't the death penalty supposed to be a deterrence?

It's very clearly not murder; that'd set really bad precedents. You might be able to pull off something like involuntary manslaughter, but I tend to doubt it.

I wonder if a civil prosecution might be easier. Have people pay for others' loss of wages, medical expenses, the support of dependents of people they caused to kill, etc, when they can be shown to have caused the spread and been irresponsible, to a civil burden of proof.

Two possible problems:

1) It might hurt tracing efforts if people are worried about being prosecuted (ie. people "clam up"). For example, this particular story might not be known at all. Hurting tracing harms public health, so this might be a good enough reason not to go after irresponsible people on the basis of tracing infections at all.

2) I'm not aware of the law ever holding anyone responsible for non-deliberate infection. New legal ground would have to be broken in this area.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by sequoia »

In this thread someone asks "What are HNers planning to do for the holidays?"

This is a fabulous question for online social media: when you go out it can seem like everyone is flouting the rules, no one is being careful, and you're the only one. This is largely because you don't see the people who are being careful because they are staying in so there's a massive bias towards careless, selfish jerks when you go out.

If you want to promote Covid safety, ask this question about holiday plans on Facebook, Twitter, whatsapp, or whatever social network you use. Or a more general question: "How are you/your family staying safe from Covid?"

This question brings everyone who is staying safe out of the shadows and into view, and all the sudden rather than feeling like you're "the only one" being careful, you realize you're in very good company. It's great to show other people as well. So if you want to "do something," start discussions on social media about what people are doing to stay safe!

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by mbostleman »

vbordo wrote: post #174
exabrial wrote: post #40

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So... my body, _not_ my choice?

This is a misapplication of an ideological statement about abortion. Disregarding the guidance of health professionals such as wearing a mask and socially distancing means endangering other people's lives.

Only if there is no other life in context with abortion.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by sequoia »

war1025 wrote: post #180
sequoia wrote: post #161

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> And they have spiking case counts just like the US right now. What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion? "peaches and cream" it's a global pandemic, I don't think "peaches and cream" is on the table right now. What we need is to survive to have peaches and cream another day, and that takes discipline and PERSONAL SACRIFICE not everyone whining and moaning about how they can't just pretend nothing is going on…

> What we need is to survive to have peaches and cream another day, Great news! As a collective we will survive this just fine no matter what happens. Individually some people won't be so lucky. Coronavirus is a tragedy, but it is far from an existential threat.

> And they have spiking case counts just like the US right now.

What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion?

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by Sacho »

president wrote: post #141
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

It also demonstrates why the "personal choice" stuff is BS here. I see a lot of folks going "why are you worried if you're following the rules yourself?", and yet... > None of the victims who lost their lives had attended the party.

No, it demonstrates overwhelming information asymmetry from what the general population is learning from mainstream media vs what the actual stats are. If you look at the actual CDC [1] COVID death count numbers, it is not much more than the annual flu death count. I don't fault the general public for this, it's the media trying to instill unnecessary fear among people. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_we…

Am i misreading the stats? Deaths involving flu is at 6k, deaths involving covid without flu is at 100k.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by [deleted] »

irq11 wrote: post #120
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

It also demonstrates why the "personal choice" stuff is BS here. I see a lot of folks going "why are you worried if you're following the rules yourself?", and yet... > None of the victims who lost their lives had attended the party.

The flu kills tens of thousands of people a year - disproportionately many of whom are young, unlike SARS-CoV2 - and is a transmissible disease. Driving kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people a year. Where is the line when it’s OK to control peoples lives because you are afraid? This is how authoritarianism starts.

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Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by [deleted] »

nradov wrote: post #118
arkitaip wrote: post #76

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It's absolutely insane how indifferent some older people are to the risks of covid-19. Cognitive decline is a real thing but with covid-19, it's like they have lost their minds.

Older people aren't insane, they have different priorities. Some would prefer to see their grandchildren today because they know they might drop dead of a stroke tomorrow. There is more to life than avoiding death.

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Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by throw1122334 »

[deleted] wrote: post #158
throw1122334 wrote: post #117

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Because it's literally their job to protect their patients from infection? It's not like we've just recently found out that the elderly are especially vulnerable to Covid-19. If a website left their admin portal open, didn't set a password and then got hacked, would you put the blame for that on the script kiddie who did it, or on the website's security team?

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Your original statement was "Why does the care facility deserve more blame?". Do you see the word "more" there?

Good luck and god bless.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by nemothekid »

president wrote: post #141
ceejayoz wrote: post #5

It also demonstrates why the "personal choice" stuff is BS here. I see a lot of folks going "why are you worried if you're following the rules yourself?", and yet... > None of the victims who lost their lives had attended the party.

No, it demonstrates overwhelming information asymmetry from what the general population is learning from mainstream media vs what the actual stats are. If you look at the actual CDC [1] COVID death count numbers, it is not much more than the annual flu death count. I don't fault the general public for this, it's the media trying to instill unnecessary fear among people. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_we…

The CDC publishes a number called excess deaths. It’s a number of how many people died versus the average. You can see the graph of excess deaths spike in March and continue to trend higher than the baseline. If this is just a “flu”, by your own words, can you please explain to me how did all these people die then?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by alok99 »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #90

I am getting more and more frustrated with the FDA. The vaccine has been around since February. The severity pandemic can be boiled down to a function of drug testing. If we had a pandemic drug testing protocol we could have had a vaccine months ago. The FDA is just sitting on their hands right now waiting for people in the stage 3 trials to get sick to see if the vaccines are effective. If we would have used challen…

What? We had a vaccine in February 2020? What is your source on that?
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