Earlier quoted context omitted.
I literally can't do that because as a result of the court orders the PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count , just like they can't report the numbers associated with other provisional ballots. They can count the ballots internally, but such numbers are segregated from the official count and get added later (if at all). I can say that Republican observers and lawyers on the ground in PA confirm that the…
> PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count The court order does not say that. Why lie? Furthermore the SCOTUS order was required because the districts felt like they didn't have to comply with the state level order so even if your interpretation is correct you don't know how many of the counted ballots should have been segregated and not counted towards the official count in the first place.
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I literally can't do that because as a result of the court orders the PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count , just like they can't report the numbers associated with other provisional ballots. They can count the ballots internally, but such numbers are segregated from the official count and get added later (if at all). I can say that Republican observers and lawyers on the ground in PA confirm that the…
> PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count The court order does not say that. Why lie? Furthermore the SCOTUS order was required because the districts felt like they didn't have to comply with the state level order so even if your interpretation is correct you don't know how many of the counted ballots should have been segregated and not counted towards the official count in the first place.
From TFA: "It was unclear how much of an impact the order might have on Pennsylvania election boards, who Boockvar had previously ordered to segregate and separately count late-arriving ballots."
The state courts had already ordered ballot segregation prior to the ballots being counted.
Furthermore the SCOTUS order was required because the districts felt like they didn't have to comply with the state level order so even if your interpretation is correct you don't know how many of the counted ballots should have been segregated and not counted towards the official count in the first place.
This is simply false. As every news site noted, including Fox News, districts were already doing this because the PA supreme court said that ballots should be segregated.
And moreover, it was not a SCOTUS order. It was a Justice Alito order. The entire SCOTUS did not weigh in.
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#183With a lead of only 34k votes in Pennsylvania, and 135k ballots still left to count, considering the tensions in the country, IMHO the Associated Press should have waited a bit more before declaring Biden as a winner…
Everyone with the numbers called it back on Wednesday when Trump technically still had a lead. It's a double whammy: all of the votes left are not only in overwhelmingly blue areas, they're also mail in ballots. They're blue at >80% rate.
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#184If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT
> If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? It wasn't all that close. Of six elections (including this one) since 2000, at least 3 and possibly 4 (votes are still being counted) were closer in popular vote, and 3 were closer in electoral vote (based on what has been called so far, regardless of how the uncalled states go. But it was particularly actively contested, with both high turnout and…
The fact some previous was closer, doesn't mean this one wasn't close, not sure how we even need to point this out on a site like hackernews.
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#185Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?
Just take the L.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? It wasn't all that close. Of six elections (including this one) since 2000, at least 3 and possibly 4 (votes are still being counted) were closer in popular vote, and 3 were closer in electoral vote (based on what has been called so far, regardless of how the uncalled states go. But it was particularly actively contested, with both high turnout and…
It was incredibly close, so close that we waited for days to figure out who's going to win. Biden has ~50.6%, if that's not close I don't know what is. The fact some previous was closer, doesn't mean this one wasn't close, not sure how we even need to point this out on a site like hackernews.
We didn't wait for days because it was close; races which were much closer were called much sooner.
We waited because calls are made by projections, which are based on statistical extrapolation, which are sensitive to patterns of comparable comparable ballots, and the high mail in count and partisan divide in mail-in ballot usage made projection much more difficult than it normally is.
> Biden has ~50.6%, if that's not close I don't know what is.
A >3 percentage point margin isn't close by standards that make any sense applied to US Presidential elections.
That said, even if it was particularly close, the bigger point is that that wouldn't be evidence that it wasn't tumultuous, since “tumultuous” isn't in any way opposed to “close”. That it also wasn't particularly close is a secondary issue.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was it close? Seems like it just took a long time to process mail in ballots because the administration tried its best to invalidate them and decrease their legitimacy. Furthermore tumultuous does not equate to unpopular. Perhaps his supporters enjoy the chaos.
it is close
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence. Fox News and One America refused to air these videos because they couldn't track down any of these supposed whistleblowers and in fact, Fox News said they couldn't find any proof that these supposed postal workers even exist. Also, you do know that the USPS Postmaster is a huge Trum…
> Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence. False on both counts.
Falsifying and modifying evidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approa...
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#189If people agree it was tumultuous why was the race still so close? I really think adding little adjectives like that undermines the respectedness of the NYT
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#190This is getting flagged every 2 minutes. What is going on?