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Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers

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Because it's not a single entity following you around from place to place. Each place is keeping it's own records. If you go to Joe's house and Joe makes a note that you came to his house, then you go to Bob's house and Bob makes a note that you came to his house, nobody is stalking you. Each individual is keeping track of who visits them. That is not stalking. Yes, maybe later on, the government or someone else coul…

Courts, laws, judges look at the end game. They often do not care about hand waving, distracting red-herring type logic. This is how you get torrent sites taken down, even though they host absolutely nothing. Intent, you see, is key. And what is the intent of all of this data collection? Is it to just randomly, happen-stance note someone in passing? Or is it a dedicated, planned, targeted collection of data on indivi…

Right, and the end game is some utterly mundane non-issue like showing me ads that I end up blocking or finding the best spot in the store to put cans of soup.

That's where all this hyperbolic "OMG they took my picture and now they have total control of my life!!1!1" hand-wringing falls flat.

I care about privacy too, but come on. It's not voodoo. If you're not going to be serious about the real risks it's hard to take seriously.

After all this discussion, I've yet to hear an explanation of the actual mechanism by which, say, Macy's having a picture of me in their store allows them to exert control over any action I might want to take.

Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers

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I don't have a problem with this. Most ppl don't know this but there are ppl who make a living harassing other ppl in malls or abusing associative learning to give ppl positive or negative feelings about where they are shopping. They use actual "models" if you want to call it that to influence your decision making everywhere you go. It's actually highly targeted and dangerously accurate.

Do you have more details about this? Honestly it sounds like paranoid delusions. However, I could see using good-looking models playing fake customer for influencing high net worth individual to spend more. It might make financial sense in a high price, high margin business like a jewelry store. I also heard anecdotal reports of paying homeless people to hang out in front of a competitor's business to scare away cust…

No, most of these businesses are illegal in many states. They typically operate as "secret shoppers", advertising, modeling or acting troops. They make up reasons to be at certain places, there is nothjng pranoid about it. This has been around since I was a child we just have more accurate information now (my parents did this for a living). Most of the people involved in this sort of business dont even know what they are there for.

Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers

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I think the courts have ruled that it is perfectly legal to record somebody outside of their home as that is considered public spaces. Many cities are now moving to embed cameras in street lights to deter and record crimes. I think that it is safe to assume that if you are outside, you are being recorded, either by a check point camera , a store’s security camera , streetlight camera or even your neighbor’s ring devi…

This "_you should not have any expectations of privacy in public_" argument dates back when there was no facial recognition. The idea was people can see you in the street, maybe exceptionally a wierdo would take a photo of you but nobody could find your identity back from that photo. In case of a crime in the street the police could exceptionally access surveillance cameras to investigate. That's it. This is what "no…

> taking the picture of someone... allows you to have a total control over that person

Please, explain?

This sounds like nothing more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Re: Mall real estate company collected 5M images of shoppers

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To do what with, though? Use it to blackmail you? Use it to track you down and murder you? That’s harm - collecting and analyzing data is not.

Privacy is a human right according to the UN. Whenever your rights are violated you've been harmed.

The UN isn’t the arbiter of what constitutes a human right.
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