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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by cageface »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #180
king_jester wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For consumers that can afford it, tablets may replace a lot of what a desktop computer does for those people, but there are many people who are lower income who will still depend on very inexpensive desktop computers, either ones the own individually or (more likely) ones that they can access at their local library. I think Ubuntu is heading in a direction where it will replace Windows for users that only need an off…

I think it's much more likely lower income people will use a smartphone as their primary computer than a desktop machine. Cell phones already have incredible penetration, and the cell companies (not to mention Google) are going to push smartphones into that population in short order.

I agree. Everybody will have a smart phone because they're so useful and for a lot of people that will be all they need, particularly if money is tight. I'm in Vietnam now and most people here make next to nothing but they still have smart phones and I even see a lot of iPhones, even though they cost a fortune by Vietnamese standards.

I see a fair number of cheap desktop computers too but they're all running bootleg copies of Windows. People aren't paying for their software anyway so the price advantage of Linux is negated.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by chrismsnz »

jdub wrote: post #178
chao- wrote: post #11

When last I used the Unity shell, it was clearly not ready for prime time. I'll spend some time later today, cross my fingers, and discover if that has changed or not. There's much more in a new release than just that, but the supposedly-cleaned up Unity will probably get most of the press. Some concerns aside, I respect a lot of the chutzpah that Canonical is showing: Unity, Wayland, trying to force KDE/GNOME to wor…

Canonical have nothing to do with Wayland. Mark Shuttleworth wrote a blog post saying they wanted to use it (in a ridiculously unrealistic timeframe), but they've contributed nothing to meeting that goal. They haven't tried to "force KDE/GNOME to work together on a notification API". They did their own thing, then later on adopted and modified a KDE protocol (which in the first place didn't even do the primary thing…

For those playing along, Jeff is heavily involved in the GNOME project and thus have a strong opinion on all these things.

Much has been written on the indicator spat and the tension between GNOME and Canonical, and it seems that's there's not and end to be seen of it.

Mark Shuttleworth has some thoughts (from the other side of the coin) on his blog here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654

I'm not going to join in, but I have trouble reconciling the arguments "GNOME not adopting their code/protocol" and "not contributing to upstream projects".

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by jdub »

chrismsnz wrote: post #182
jdub wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canonical have nothing to do with Wayland. Mark Shuttleworth wrote a blog post saying they wanted to use it (in a ridiculously unrealistic timeframe), but they've contributed nothing to meeting that goal. They haven't tried to "force KDE/GNOME to work together on a notification API". They did their own thing, then later on adopted and modified a KDE protocol (which in the first place didn't even do the primary thing…

For those playing along, Jeff is heavily involved in the GNOME project and thus have a strong opinion on all these things. Much has been written on the indicator spat and the tension between GNOME and Canonical, and it seems that's there's not and end to be seen of it. Mark Shuttleworth has some thoughts (from the other side of the coin) on his blog here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654 I'm not going to…

GNOME rejected the libappindicator code and approach (largely because it was irrelevant and badly timed), but not the StatusNotifier protocol (as defined mostly by KDE, then once modified, the basis for libappindicator).

The "not contributing to upstream" comment has a much broader context than that particular issue though. One late attempt to push something fairly irrelevant upstream does not define the entire context for their engagement. :-)

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by jdub »

chrismsnz wrote: post #182
jdub wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canonical have nothing to do with Wayland. Mark Shuttleworth wrote a blog post saying they wanted to use it (in a ridiculously unrealistic timeframe), but they've contributed nothing to meeting that goal. They haven't tried to "force KDE/GNOME to work together on a notification API". They did their own thing, then later on adopted and modified a KDE protocol (which in the first place didn't even do the primary thing…

For those playing along, Jeff is heavily involved in the GNOME project and thus have a strong opinion on all these things. Much has been written on the indicator spat and the tension between GNOME and Canonical, and it seems that's there's not and end to be seen of it. Mark Shuttleworth has some thoughts (from the other side of the coin) on his blog here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654 I'm not going to…

(By the way, as stated on all of my posts about these issues, I am no longer involved in the GNOME project at all.)

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by mlinksva »

kleiba wrote: post #142
rfugger wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dell did ship Ubuntu awhile back. Not sure if they still do.

Not for laptops anymore, as far as I know. They still sell their Inspiron netbooks with ubuntu, though (8.04).

I see 4 laptops and 1 netbook at http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/laptops#facets=80770~0~179... (use OS filter if link doesn't apply) different models running 9.10, 10.04, 10.10. For some reason the link on dell.com/ubuntu only shows the two Latitudes, not the three Inspirons.

Not major manufacturers, but also see Zareason and System76.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by alienfluid »

The upgrade's going - another 40 minutes or so.

Pro-tip for people with laptops that have switchable graphics - Go into your BIOS and set the default to "Discrete graphics" and not "Switchable". Otherwise Ubuntu will default to integrated and you'll miss out on all the fancy animations.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by fingerprinter »

2mur wrote: post #59

I'm not going back to linux on the desktop until it can sleep my laptop reliably. OSX is so nice for that. Just close the lid and go... I can't imagine working any other way now.

I've been running Ubuntu on three systems for quite some time: a unibody Macbook Pro, a Lenovo T61p (t60p before that) and a System 76 netbook. Sleep works great on all three (be sure to install the mactel PPA for the MBP).

That being said...I know for sure there is a configuration out there that doesn't work...that is the beauty and benefit of a locked down ecosystem like Apple. They control everything and absolutely can guarantee the experience....and to be honest, if Apple can't deliver on that promise with the compromise of choice, they shouldn't be in the game.

So, I don't really think it is an issue, or nearly as big a one as people make it out to be. I find that if I stick to the bigger Linux friendly manufacturers (Lenovo) or the ones many people will buy (MBP), you will have good luck.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by abstractfactory »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #123
krat0sprakhar wrote: post #113

Ok... this seems pretty much out of place but I dont suppose I can get a better answer anywhere else, so here it goes. I'm a student in India and in a dilemma about buying a Mac or buying a windows machine (dual booting with Ubuntu 11.04 ). At about 3/4th the price of a Mac I can purchase a more powerful windows laptop and boot up Ubuntu ( and thus avoid windows altogether ). I need a workstation for Ruby on Rails/ N…

Preface: I develop on a Mac. There is no easy way to answer this question. You can definitely get a more powerful PC for the price. With the Mac, you are buying some brand, some better construction, and a lot of better customer service. You are also buying OS X, which may or may not be attractive. I used Linux for many years as a primary development machine, and it was great. Ubuntu is doing a good job solving the "t…

Thread hijack...

If you use Emacs all day on a Mac, what do you use for the Meta key? I find I'm not really happy no matter what I do. If I make Option into Meta, I have to bend my thumb way under my palm to hit Meta. If I make Command into Meta, then I lose access to lots of global Mac UI shortcuts. I guess I could experiment with swapping Option and Command and then using Option as Meta, although I'll have to retrain a lot of muscle memory.

And then there's the fact that one Emacs window in a terminal is still not as productive as five Emacs windows under X11, and X11.app still sucks, and the various native Mac Emacs ports still don't feel right to me.

Overall I find using Emacs on Linux X11 still provides the best Emacs experience. This alone will probably keep me on Linux as my primary work environment for the foreseeable future.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by hollerith »

abstractfactory wrote: post #188
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preface: I develop on a Mac. There is no easy way to answer this question. You can definitely get a more powerful PC for the price. With the Mac, you are buying some brand, some better construction, and a lot of better customer service. You are also buying OS X, which may or may not be attractive. I used Linux for many years as a primary development machine, and it was great. Ubuntu is doing a good job solving the "t…

Thread hijack... If you use Emacs all day on a Mac, what do you use for the Meta key? I find I'm not really happy no matter what I do. If I make Option into Meta, I have to bend my thumb way under my palm to hit Meta. If I make Command into Meta, then I lose access to lots of global Mac UI shortcuts. I guess I could experiment with swapping Option and Command and then using Option as Meta, although I'll have to retra…

I use Escape because it is in exactly the same place on almost all PC and Mac keyboards. Yeah, I know that Escape is not a proper modifier key.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Post by flomo »

ra wrote: post #46
mjs wrote: post #43

I find the description of which image to choose confusing. You need the a 64-bit image to handle processes over 4GB, right? Why is the x86 version recommended for "most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows." (That's from the server description, too.)

No. Memory > 4GB is not a reason to use 64bit. If you want to address > 4GB of RAM on 32bit, install the PAE kernel. I think the meta package is called linux-generic-pae. Use 64bit if you want to run applications that will benefit from it. EDIT: If in doubt, use the 32 bit one as it will give you less friction for general purpose desktop use.

PAE kernel is really only useful in the special case that you have some ancient 32-bit server hardware that supports > 4GB. Anyone else over 4GB should run 64-bit.
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