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Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by detaro »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #141
detaro wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because having extra screenspace to keep docs/chat/... on is nice and an old screen is good enough for that?

Is it? It apparently is not good enough for the main screen. The thing is that scaling works just fine if all your displays use the same one. Two 4k screens -> awesome. Two fhd screen -> works just fine. It is only the combination of one hires and one lowres screen that is problematic. So my maybe naive take away is that if you care that your main screen is 4k, then no your old screen is not good enough. And if you t…

Because I use the main screen for more than displaying docs and chat? And it's a problem to spend large-ish amounts of money just to workaround software problems?

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by qwerty456127 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #65
mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

I get you point (it's perfectly valid and I even believe I can feel what you feel) but as for me I want it to be "one app = one icon" (same icon used to launch, minimize and activate any of the windows of the same app) and it drives me crazy no Linux DE other than KDE and good old Unity support this. I wish LXDE (the Raspberry Pi default), LXQt and XFCE didn't insist the Windows95 way of having separate buttons to la…

Today, working on a Windows 10 machine at the office, I've actually realized strict "one app = one icon" scheme, with every window of the same app hidden under one button, isn't actually convenient for me either.

It makes switching between different documents (with the mouse) too much hassle: click/hover on the button, wait for the documents list to pop up, click the one you want - that's too much.

Single-click can actually be handier in many cases.

But I still want the same button to launch and to represent a running app.

And an extra button to be added right after the main one when a second window of the same app gets opened.

This is can be achieve on Windows using an easy hack[1], despite there seemingly is no "official" way.

https://www.sevenforums.com/customization/22606-make-taskbar...

I hope this is going to be added to KDE as well.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by vvillena »

criddell wrote: post #180
vvillena wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lucky to have a workflow that depends in just one application and one window, then.

Multiple windows isn't a power user feature and it isn't a differentiator for KDE.

No, but organizing the environment into separate groups of windows and apps that are related, and being able to use different settings on each task is totally a power user feature and a differentiatior. I've seen nothing out there as powerful as KDE activities.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by dleslie »

dTal wrote: post #150
dleslie wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Critically, I tend to use low-power machines because I hate fan noise and excessive heat. I was using KDE on an RPi4 and Pinebook Pro. For basically all the computing that I do these machines are more than powerful enough; but apparently not for KDE (or Gnome3!)

For what it's worth, I use a T480. It has a nice quad core i7 processor and it draws 5 watts at idle. That's hardly more than your Pi4 or your Pinebook Pro. The fan never spins up unless I'm burning 100% CPU. I run Plasma 5 and it's always perfectly snappy. I don't think you're gaining a lot, using such low end hardware.

They play Doom, Dosbox, and RetroArch (up to PSP/Dreamcast) just fine.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by Pet_Ant »

skeletal88 wrote: post #48
Pet_Ant wrote: post #32

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Because it takes up less real estate and I know what app I’m looking for. I don’t have separate windows for all my Firefox tabs even though you could consider them to belong to 5 or 6 different categories.

Why not let the application decide, like with browser tabs? I absolutely hate it that the default for Gnome is to group all windows of the same application together under the same icon. When I have multiple terminals open, then they are in no way related. I want a specific one. Like writing code in an editor and a terminal for running the application or compiling, and then another one for some shell access.

> Why not let the application decide, like with browser tabs?

That means you need to wait for each application to add support for it whereas here it is the window manager.

What you want it seems is to group the windows by workflow. You can do what. Use a different desktop per workflow. I have 1 main 2 reference 3 utilities Then set your task bar to only show windows from the current desktop.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by dleslie »

dTal wrote: post #150
dleslie wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Critically, I tend to use low-power machines because I hate fan noise and excessive heat. I was using KDE on an RPi4 and Pinebook Pro. For basically all the computing that I do these machines are more than powerful enough; but apparently not for KDE (or Gnome3!)

For what it's worth, I use a T480. It has a nice quad core i7 processor and it draws 5 watts at idle. That's hardly more than your Pi4 or your Pinebook Pro. The fan never spins up unless I'm burning 100% CPU. I run Plasma 5 and it's always perfectly snappy. I don't think you're gaining a lot, using such low end hardware.

I just looked.

There's no way I can afford a T480.

FOSS developers really should be using minspec machines to test.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by devthrowawy »

cupofjoakim wrote: post #61

Good job, as expected by the Plasma team. I really feel like this is a big step in the right direction. A personal wish however would be that we got a more modern look to more desktop environments. Both Gnome, Plasma and Pantheon (default in Elementary OS) are talked about as the best looking desktop environments, but I'd be lying if I said that any of them looked awesome. There's just something about them that make…

Why do you want to attract uninterested users who's interested are primarily superficial and not aligned with the core values and spirit of linux/foss? This is how you breed corruption.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by WorldPeas »

Nice! If any KDE devs are lurking here, please remove that annoying as all hell bug that makes a sticky note on your desktop whenever you hit ctrl+v. I've tried pasting files several times only to see something I copied 10 minutes ago pop up on an annoying widget I have to spend 30 seconds removing. This happens several times a week, if not daily.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by O_H_E »

Zren wrote: post #125
qwerty456127 wrote: post #20

KDE 5 Plasma is amazing. Subjectively, I feel the following about it: after over 2 decades of being extremely buggy and extremely ugly, KDE has became a culmination of desktop PC GUI design, the best I've experienced so far (tiling WMs can be better in certain tasks and settings but not universally). Manjaro with recent KDE provides me what I call "a lot like Mac but way better" experience (surely, there are aspects…

> KDE still has not reached Unity * https://github.com/Zren/plasma-hud for HUD * https://github.com/Zren/material-decoration for LIM (Locally Integrated Menus in titlebars) though it'll have whatever issues the Global Menu panel widget has. > I don't want tray messages to pop-up as soon as I start copying files. I'm not even sure I want them when the process finishes (perhaps there is a less annoying way to know it's…

Oh,hey its you. I have used your site for plasma fixes and tricks before. Thanks a bunch for the quality content.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by O_H_E »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #143
cupofjoakim wrote: post #61

Good job, as expected by the Plasma team. I really feel like this is a big step in the right direction. A personal wish however would be that we got a more modern look to more desktop environments. Both Gnome, Plasma and Pantheon (default in Elementary OS) are talked about as the best looking desktop environments, but I'd be lying if I said that any of them looked awesome. There's just something about them that make…

Nate Graham blogs about these types of consistency improvements every week. Lots of screenshots to show what has improved and what features are coming. Well worth a read. I think this shows the progress you are hoping to see. https://pointieststick.com/

These posts are indeed great.
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