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Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I've also stopped buying at Amazon after 15 years. Even consumables and small items are problematic. Just in the last year, I encountered many issues including: * Showerhead that came without box, and clearly used. It still had a lot of water inside! * Underwear from a brand that sells items inside a sealed bag and discards returns came used, without bag (yuck!) * A module of Samsung RAM had visible wear signs and di…

I'm always shocked when I read these comments on HN. I swear it must be just the American Amazon that's so shit, because I literally never had any problems nor know anyone with these problems here in UK. Just this year I'm on 108 orders and counting, every single one of them was fine, working, definitely not used, definitely not counterfeit and delivered within 1 day as promised with Prime. Last year I've had 140 ord…

I’m in the US and we order off of Amazon all the time. I’ve had exactly one problem that apparently came from a vendor with tons of complaints (wrong item and a history of refusing refunds or trying to negotiate a partial due to return shipping costs).

Aside from that, everything has been great but I also never order clothes from Amazon.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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Whether right or wrong it decimates the destination country’s market place. Food for thought.

I guess I really know nothing about economics... Sincere question: how does paying less for functionally/fashionably equivalent products hurt the economy of the country that's consuming them?

The same detrimental effects can happen with lots of aid given to Africa. Basically, the majority of Africa is clothed with first world hand-me-downs. The result is that there is virtually no market for home-grown clothing makers in Africa.

Think about it, the US has "anti-dumping" laws to protect US manufacturers, but we "dump" into other countries all the time in the form of "aid".

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I think it depends a lot on category. What you said about kids clothing is spot on, but I'd expect similar dynamics for women's clothing (tighter fits = lower tolerance, also lower tolerance for color mismatch etc) and there are a couple of categories that I've outright stopped buying on Amazon because of the enormous problem rate, namely whitelabeled consumer electronics. In 2020 I've returned ~5%: markers that were…

I've also stopped buying at Amazon after 15 years. Even consumables and small items are problematic. Just in the last year, I encountered many issues including: * Showerhead that came without box, and clearly used. It still had a lot of water inside! * Underwear from a brand that sells items inside a sealed bag and discards returns came used, without bag (yuck!) * A module of Samsung RAM had visible wear signs and di…

Not to sound bitter, but why the heck do you buy so much on Amazon (you and others on this HN formum) ?

Isn't it clear from the premises that that whole online thing is treacherous at best for the environment, our environment ?

I can understand the convenience, buying stuff you don't find in your local shops, etc. But much of what Amazon do is because they have customers... So instead of complaining about Amazon, why not just fix our own behavior ?

(sorry to say that like this, I know it's super not diplomatic and one sided and maybe I could even not defend my own point of view if we'd be to talk face to face, but at some point choices must be made)

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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This is the pattern I've seen as well. That and the anti-pattern of using Amazon as a quasi-tool-rental outlet where they buy something for a project, use it, and then return it after the project is done. The 'borrowing' aspect was also an issue at Fry's in the Bay Area where test equipment that they sold would have been used already. Of the two I think the 'borrowing' pattern to be pretty unscrupulous. I see the buy…

The tool borrowing is unscrupulous, but it provides a ready source of “Used-Very good” Amazon Warehouse tools at 15-35% off, which I do appreciate.

I've bought too many things that come with annoyingly broken parts. Not enough to render it useless, just annoying. For example, a cracked handle on a Amazon Warehouse snowblower. It still worked but required a tricky glue job. For most things now, I'll pay the extra for something new from a local shop.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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> 30 to 40 per cent of all online purchases are sent back That seems almost an order of magnitude higher than I’d expect. Setting aside kids shoes (which probably do get 50% returned), I can’t imagine sending back even 5% of my online purchases, let alone 30-40%. I think I’ve sent back exactly 1 Amazon order in the last year, out of nearly 100.

I never would have thought this till I started a relationship with a woman who buys several sizes of everything she shops for to ensure she gets the right fit. Women’s attire doesn’t have standard sizing so every brand is different. It’s a giant guessing game. Basically, the industry needs some standards to help with all this waste.

But that’s completely different from ordering from Amazon, and not even considered a return per se. Zappos and Zalando operate under this model where you try out different sizes and return the ones that don’t fit.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I have friends who send back nearly everything. Not sure about shoe size? Order 3 sizes, keep the one you like and send back the other two (or return all 3 if you dont like it). Want a shirt? Order 5 and keep the ones you like, if any.

This is so incredibly wasteful. I hope we go back to shopping malls for clothing and fitted purchases.

I'm not so sure it is such a waste. From the perspective of the store, they save on retail space and personel. From and environmental perspective, the home deliveries are usually much more efficient, since they deliver to multiple nearby addresses in a single run, than single people driving their cars to the malls.

I don't know exactly how it would balance in the end. It probably depends both on the type of goods and a lot on local circumstances. But don't take for granted that this is worse than it was before.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I guess I really know nothing about economics... Sincere question: how does paying less for functionally/fashionably equivalent products hurt the economy of the country that's consuming them?

The same detrimental effects can happen with lots of aid given to Africa. Basically, the majority of Africa is clothed with first world hand-me-downs. The result is that there is virtually no market for home-grown clothing makers in Africa. Think about it, the US has "anti-dumping" laws to protect US manufacturers, but we "dump" into other countries all the time in the form of "aid".

Ah, that makes plenty of sense. Thank you!

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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I'm always shocked when I read these comments on HN. I swear it must be just the American Amazon that's so shit, because I literally never had any problems nor know anyone with these problems here in UK. Just this year I'm on 108 orders and counting, every single one of them was fine, working, definitely not used, definitely not counterfeit and delivered within 1 day as promised with Prime. Last year I've had 140 ord…

Amazon has prob. lower market share in e-commerce in EU than in USA. Competition (and more pro-consumer regulation) helps.

No they do not and actually in the G7 already 70% of product search starts on Amazon. Australia had a very fast adoption and most people installed the Amazon app within a year. Their app is the number one e-commerce app in all countries amazon operates on a country specific TLD . In other countries Ali express is the most popular app on App store.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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While this may seem shocking, logistically it makes sense. It’s potentially easier to destroy or dump a returned product than re-preparing it for sale. I went out on a date with a program manager for one of Amazon’s return programs and she told me her job was basically finding out ways to repurpose returns as cheaply as possible. Apparently destroying and dumping it’s the easiest and least resource consuming way to d…

> It’s potentially easier to destroy or dump a returned product than re-preparing it for sale.

Why can't returned goods be resold as "open box" or "scratch and dent" products with missing or damaged packaging for a significant discount? Surely making some money is better than paying to dispose of it - not to mention the terrible optics when you get caught.

Re: Cameras and secret trackers reveal where Amazon returns end up

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post #185

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I never would have thought this till I started a relationship with a woman who buys several sizes of everything she shops for to ensure she gets the right fit. Women’s attire doesn’t have standard sizing so every brand is different. It’s a giant guessing game. Basically, the industry needs some standards to help with all this waste.

But that’s completely different from ordering from Amazon, and not even considered a return per se. Zappos and Zalando operate under this model where you try out different sizes and return the ones that don’t fit.

No it isn't, you can order clothes on Amazon and many women (and men) do.
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