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Re: Want to attract top tech talent? Offer telecommuting

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>I _know_ I can get staff in India or China much cheaper than here No you can't. If you could more companies would be doing it. You get what you pay for. When you get cheap outsourced labor in India you're getting people with no experience and insanely high turn over rate. If you want people from India with more experience you'll find them out west somewhere making a better salary. The market rate is the market rate.…

It's interesting to see the knee-jerk reaction when someone talks about Indian or Chinese programmers. The hypothesis that "all smart Indian programmers are in the US" is, well, somewhat naive. Sure not _all_ Indian programmers are great, not all are even good, but that's true everywhere. Finding the good ones will take as much work there as it does here. There's an awful lot of chaff. But there are good ones, even g…

>The hypothesis that "all smart Indian programmers are in the US" is, well, somewhat naive.

It sure is, which is why no one is saying that. I said the west (that's not just the US, you know?).

>you are competing with programmers in Ireland, Australia, South Africa, Israel, Holland, Germany, New Zealand and so on.

I already am. Every one of them that is willing to move where I live. The only difference is that neither they, nor I would have to move if we moved to telecommuting. This would depress the value of labor somewhat because commute hassles are figured into the current price, but I don't believe we would be looking at a long term 50% decrease.

>and in many cases require a living wage below that found in the US.

Irrelevant. Market prices are set based on perceived value of the good or service. Not what it costs to produce or anything like that.

> But are you still the best if we expand the pool to include a billion people?

No of course not, but we're not all competing for one job. If all programming jobs became telecommuting jobs then I would be competing with everyone but for every job.

Re: Want to attract top tech talent? Offer telecommuting

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>Oh wait, there's some super-keen, super bright chap in India who'll do your work for a tenth of the price? Except he wont. If he's as good as you are his telecommuting rates will be close to what yours are. Think about it.

"If he's as good as you are his telecommuting rates will be close to what yours are." Sorry mate, but no. A developers rate factors in a number of things, including cost of living. A guy working from his home in Silicon Valley charges more than a guy sitting at home in Iowa or wherever (to make the same disposable income). The guy in Iowa knows he can work for less, but still make more, in terms of disposable income.…

>A developers rate factors in a number of things, including cost of living.

When deciding what your price floor is, yes cost of living figures in. But what development is worth is its market price (perceived value). It doesn't depend on where the person lives.

The main thing you're actually highlighting here is that if we move to more telecommuting, developers will need to get better at understanding how market pricing actually works and that their development time is a market resource like everything else.

>The guy in Iowa knows he can work for less, but still make more, in terms of disposable income.

Sure, and if all programming jobs went telecommuting this guy would have so many more job offers he would have to push his own prices up.

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