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Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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>I am surprised it took them this long They weren't going to make big moves until they had built up their navy.

Their navy is nowhere yet ready to fight a real war. Look at analysis of their fleet. Two aircraft carriers with limited capacity. But any war would have home court advantage with long-range missile support from the coast. That's the difference maker. Power projection beyond China's coast is currently impossible with their navy, and if there were a concerted allied operation, China's Navy would be unlikely able to ha…

I've read they will achieve naval parity with the US in just a few years:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-ar...

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/maritime-antisub/4983-chin...

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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We can no longer say "the west" and expect a unified response - brexit, the constant attacks on member nations of NATO by Trump, The Iran deal that Europe still backs but the US doesn't. There's a reason Russia and China are bold right now. EDIT: I get it, it's politically charged, but I remind everyone to discuss, rather than downvote, based on your own political opinion.

That doesn't make sense. Trump is pro Russia and anti China. Chinese facing more heat now than in the past 50 years.

The West is not just the US. I clearly said "A unified western response to China."

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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We can no longer say "the west" and expect a unified response - brexit, the constant attacks on member nations of NATO by Trump, The Iran deal that Europe still backs but the US doesn't. There's a reason Russia and China are bold right now. EDIT: I get it, it's politically charged, but I remind everyone to discuss, rather than downvote, based on your own political opinion.

Most of the West wants to appease China. What response are you talking about. It's not standing in front, that's for sure. EU silence is deafening, except for some weak, mild comments here or there. China's diplomacy barks back, and EU commissioners become silent.

Exactly - the west is not unified on China. Which is what I said.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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post #67

Love how when the same restrictions are imposed in the USA, everyone starts talking about "doing the right thing"

Not everyone on HN is from the US, so I don't see how your point is relevant.

As a counterpoint, I have never been made to realize the US origin of HN as in recent times. The "hacker" in the name is gradually being swallowed by the "news"-mainly US

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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From a simpletons perspective, I don't understand why we get to have a say of how a country reclaims its former territory. Especially from Westerners(not even land connected) who have no claim whatsoever. Why do we have a negative outlook on our former empires colonizing the world while at the same time doing everything possible to retain profits/power from these bad things we shouldn't be doing? Very hypocritical to…

The universal declaration of human rights declares the right to self determination. I don't think it's hypocritical for the United States to preach principles of human rights.

The universal declaration of human rights is a meaningless declaration with no actual teeth to the true powers of the world.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

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The war on terror was not about containing communism. It could not be labeled and dismissed as “anti-communist hysteria”

It was anti-Islamist hysteria. What's the difference?

The difference is which generation the rhetoric triggers.
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