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The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Trump just tweeted that he won't let this happen. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/13019688734875648...

This should be top by now. And how did this article get out he was cutting it? His base is in part military and family's it's not something he would logically do 3 months before an election.

Fake news to undermine military support for Trump in the upcoming election?

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#182

Trump just tweeted that he won't let this happen. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/13019688734875648...

This should be top by now. And how did this article get out he was cutting it? His base is in part military and family's it's not something he would logically do 3 months before an election.

Neither is calling Vietnam vets "suckers," but here we are.

Perhaps he's not a good strategist. Evidence seems to suggest.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Unless you've got a source for that, I think you're mistaken. The Army wouldn't operate on US soil, that sort of thing would be the job of the National Guard. The Posse Comitatus Act specifically forbids the US Army from doing that sort of thing. If you told me Trump is upset at the National Guard for this reason, I'd believe that. I think I recall reading headlines to that effect.

One half of what you're demanding https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protes... After that was published editor of The New York Times' editorial page James Bennet was forced out. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-t...

That article does not seem to contain the claim that Trump asked the Army to break up protests, and it's not clear which 'half' you're refering to. As far as I can tell, the claim is simply false.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should be top by now. And how did this article get out he was cutting it? His base is in part military and family's it's not something he would logically do 3 months before an election.

Neither is calling Vietnam vets "suckers," but here we are. Perhaps he's not a good strategist. Evidence seems to suggest.

Yes, also fake news it seems. So outlandish, but the suckers just believe it. I don't think the media even has a source willing to say they directly heard it but they are still running it.

So it seems the media is attacking him on the military front.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither is calling Vietnam vets "suckers," but here we are. Perhaps he's not a good strategist. Evidence seems to suggest.

Yes, also fake news it seems. So outlandish, but the suckers just believe it. I don't think the media even has a source willing to say they directly heard it but they are still running it. So it seems the media is attacking him on the military front.

I think it's understandable why sources would want to remain anonymous when criticizing this President.

The key question is: will he sue for libel or defamation? I expect he won't, and I expect he won't because truth is always an affirmative defense against those accusations in US law.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One half of what you're demanding https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protes... After that was published editor of The New York Times' editorial page James Bennet was forced out. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-t...

That article does not seem to contain the claim that Trump asked the Army to break up protests, and it's not clear which 'half' you're refering to. As far as I can tell, the claim is simply false.

These are Trump's words:

I am mobilizing all available federal resources, civilian and military, to stop the rioting and looting, to end the destruction and arson and to protect the rights of law-abiding Americans, including your Second Amendment rights

The piece continues:

"He said he was already dispatching "thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers" to Washington to stop the violence that has been a feature of the protests here."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-consideri...

Later the Army realized he couldn't do that:

Hundreds of combat soldiers with the 82nd Airborne were ordered to leave Washington, D.C, Thursday after retired generals and the nation's top officer rebuked Donald Trump over his use of the military.

Members of the elite unit had been deployed to the nation's capital to back up National Guard soldiers ordered onto the streets by Attorney General Bill Barr in a show of force. ... While the capital is under federal control, the removal of hundreds of combat troops was a highly-visible sign that Trump had been forced into retreat on his threat to deploy soldiers under his control in protest-hit cities.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8389743/Generals-WI...

I chose the Daily Mail reporting because no one could accuse it of being a left wing mouthpiece. There are plenty of other sources if you google

If you prefer, you could take Trump's former Defense Secretary James Mattis' comments on the use of troops in Washington DC:

Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-m...

I'd further note that Trump has recently been talking publicaly about using the Insurrection Act to enable him to call out troops, again.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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"The eagerness to kill Stars and Stripes is hard to fathom. As the senators note in their letter to Esper, the $15.5 million saved by eliminating the newspaper’s subsidy would have a “negligible impact” on the Pentagon’s $700 billion budget."

I'm OK with cutting $15.5 million from the military budget. Sure, it's a drop in the ocean, but any savings we can wring out of the military is a good thing.

Cost cutting is good, but they are not going to trim $15.5 million from their budget request nor use it for the VA or something else that would benefit the troops significantly.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#189
post #67

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You could write a thing and send it to someone. Now what do you have?

The US postal service? /s Are you saying that Stars and Stripes would deliver mail / messages to soldiers? I'd like to hear more of what you were saying.

You could write a piece, submit it, and get it printed. Like any newspaper.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#190
post #2

"No good reason" is subjective. Was there any reason given? Looked at the article, but didn't see any. Perhaps it was cost? Does the Pentagon budget break out the cost of Stars & Stripes?

From the article it sounds like the cost is $15.5m? > The memo ordering the publication’s dissolution claims the administration has the authority to make this move under the president’s fiscal year 2021 defense department budget request. It zeroed out the $15.5 million annual subsidy for Stars and Stripes. > The eagerness to kill Stars and Stripes is hard to fathom. As the senators note in their letter to Esper, the…

I think this is a case in which words don't properly convey the scale at hand. $15.5 million and $700 billion might better be said as $15.5 million and $700,000.0 million.
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