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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by shklnrj » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 7:56 PM UTC

d3nj4l wrote: post #74

sremani wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is pure unadulterated nationalism, only one country would not be targeted. It is fair to say, China is a Clear and Present danger to Indian Union and in a war-like state banning games should not be that controversial. You do not want to fund the bullets being shot at your soldiers as much as possible.

Nationalist countries often have "the enemy". It used to be Pakistan for India until very recently. Now it's China, only because of recent events, and there aren't very many Pakistani apps to ban either.

Is there any country in the top 20 GDP which does not have "the enemy"? Can anyone name one.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by yumraj » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 8:43 PM UTC

searchableguy wrote: post #43

jeswin wrote: post #31

What I wish India would do is this: force Chinese phone companies to ship stock Android and full source code. They sell hundreds of millions of phones in India and will have to find middle ground, and the outcome will be good for everyone.

I expect this to increase prices for chinese phones. It is well known that xiaomi operates on thin margin so they can push their IT services and recoup the cost.

You forgot Chineses government subsidy to get a backdoored phone in the hands of the masses in an enemy nation.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by glglwty » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 8:44 PM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #31

What I wish India would do is this: force Chinese phone companies to ship stock Android and full source code. They sell hundreds of millions of phones in India and will have to find middle ground, and the outcome will be good for everyone.

Oneplus is one of the most lineageos-friendly vendors out there.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by yumraj » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 8:45 PM UTC

tchalla wrote: post #163

magicsmoke wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They manufacture iPhones in India, they don't design them there.

Apple assembles phones in India, it doesn't manufacture in India yet.

Technically phones are assembled in China also.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by cma » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 8:59 PM UTC

sremani wrote: post #62

cma wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heavily nationalistic countries still can have allies.

Not in this case - since India app banning is more or less confined to China. India is a fragmented country and the nationalism that western liberals cry about is the one of the few Centripetal forces pulling the fragmented states together and giving a semblance of cohesion in policy and governance.

I don't know much about this case, just in general nationalism != isolationism

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by magicsmoke » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 9:14 PM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #184

tchalla wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple assembles phones in India, it doesn't manufacture in India yet.

Technically phones are assembled in China also.

Xiaomi, Oneplus, and Huawei do phone design. To be fair, the design involves choosing from US/Taiwan designed/fabricated chips and gluing them together with firmware and PCB layouts, so it's not like China can replicate the entire phone manufacturing supply chain either.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by shalmanese » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 9:18 PM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #182

searchableguy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect this to increase prices for chinese phones. It is well known that xiaomi operates on thin margin so they can push their IT services and recoup the cost.

You forgot Chineses government subsidy to get a backdoored phone in the hands of the masses in an enemy nation.

You significantly overestimate the geopolitical value of users who wouldn't buy a phone for $35 but will buy a phone for $30.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by sremani » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 9:19 PM UTC

cma wrote: post #185

sremani wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in this case - since India app banning is more or less confined to China. India is a fragmented country and the nationalism that western liberals cry about is the one of the few Centripetal forces pulling the fragmented states together and giving a semblance of cohesion in policy and governance.

I don't know much about this case, just in general nationalism != isolationism

There won't be a nation without nationalism. Indian Nationalism pre-dates Alexander the Great.

Thank you for very much.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by shalmanese » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 9:20 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #81

jeswin wrote: post #31

What I wish India would do is this: force Chinese phone companies to ship stock Android and full source code. They sell hundreds of millions of phones in India and will have to find middle ground, and the outcome will be good for everyone.

I would like to see India start replacing inexpensive phones made in China with inexpensive phones made in India. In all cases it's better if India develops their own industry further such that they rely on China less. If they can make iPhones in India, they can certainly figure out how to build competitive, inexpensive phones to replace those made in China.

This has already happened. All of the cheap Chinese phone manufacturers build their Indian phones in India and this features prominently in their advertising.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by dylz » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 9:23 PM UTC

mayankkaizen wrote: post #93

green-bottle wrote: post #5

Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

This is typical HN mentality to assume that other people are comparatively well versed in technical aspects. 99% indians (may be a little exaggerated figure) don't have any clue about VPN. Most don't even know how to side-install any app. So government actions do have some significance.

There is no need to side-install; just go on the play store and search for some bullshit spam phrase like 'unblock pubg' and you'll get your pick of dozens if not more of ad-filled, malicious "VPN" that does MITM and ad injection into all pages.

You'll literally get thousands of results of spam apps just directly named "VPN FOR PUBG" or "VPN UN BLOCK PUBG GROUNDS BATTLE PLAYER GAME CALL OF DUTY SPONGEBOB ESPONJA BOB", all of which are malware.

I just checked for myself, and this is pretty much how it is. The publishers behind this garbage have hundreds of uploaded apps, all of which are effectively the same one but with different names like "UNBLOCK P U B G PAKISTAN" or "VPN FOR PUBG PLAYER FORT NIGHT", and a random one loaded virtually every single data-exfiltration SDK known to man, and several known to animals.