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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by shajznnckfke »

filleokus wrote: post #164
shajznnckfke wrote: post #102

In iOS 13, Apple and third-party ad tracking were both controlled by the same opt-out setting. In iOS 14, the settings have been split, with third party tracking disabled and and Apple’s tracking enabled by default. Blatant anticompetitive behavior to promote their own tracking services in the guise of protecting users. Genius move by Apple. https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?...

Hmm, what is "their own tracking services"? iAd is dead since long, the only ads they serve are Apple Search Ads right? Is there any evidence/suggestion that they are using usage data from outside the App Store to target ASA? The promo-page doesn't seem to indicate that at least [1]. I mean, still in iOS 14, Google can use your data from e.g Google Maps / Chrome to target ads in the Youtube app on the same device wit…

Facebook’s top ad business on iOS is for app installs. Their cross-app tracking is how they demonstrate that the ad resulted in app sales. Apple is cutting that off here. As you mention, Apple’s competing ad service is also for app installs.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by threeseed »

StavrosK wrote: post #171
ogre_codes wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strangely, nobody says Microsoft has an xBox monopoly either. Likewise, no complaints about the PS4/5 monopoly or Nintendo Monopoly.

Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.

It's called a PC.

And the fact that people still flock to consoles means that users want a safe, curated, vibrant, affordable gaming platform. Which would be destroyed if you (a) stopped Sony making a profit of games and forcing them to make it from the hardware and (b) stopped Sony from blocking crapware, malware and counterfeits.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by freeone3000 »

ogre_codes wrote: post #170
freeone3000 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Apple is using their monopoly position to harm their business of selling private data of consumers.

You need to make it clear if you are being sarcastic or not here.

It's a legitimate basis for a lawsuit, since spying on users isn't illegal and you can theoretically prove Apple's changes will cause real harm. But everyone involved is kind of scummy, so I'm gonna let the billionaires fight on this one.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by freeone3000 »

daralthus wrote: post #74
freeone3000 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Apple is using their monopoly position to harm their business of selling private data of consumers.

They are not competitors. Antitrust law might not apply.

Apple has an ad platform.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by jkubicek »

an_opabinia wrote: post #156
Joeri wrote: post #33

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Do newspapers need to know what websites every subscriber visits in order to put ads in the paper? The idea that privacy needs to be conceded in order for a healthy ad market to exist is false.

> The idea that privacy needs to be conceded in order for a healthy ad market to exist is false. You can't in practice verify that clicks or impressions are real, as opposed to initiated by bots, without correlating them with real human behavior. If you have an idea for how to verify a click or impression was real without also gathering some kind of data, go make ten billion dollars selling that technology.

That's why you don't pay per click or impression. The newspaper/magazine model has worked fine for 100 years.

I fully understand why advertising companies would be opposed to this, it's in direct opposition to their value prop. As a consumer, though, I don't want anyone who is not the entity I'm interacting with to know anything about me.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by StavrosK »

threeseed wrote: post #182
StavrosK wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.

It's called a PC. And the fact that people still flock to consoles means that users want a safe, curated, vibrant, affordable gaming platform. Which would be destroyed if you (a) stopped Sony making a profit of games and forcing them to make it from the hardware and (b) stopped Sony from blocking crapware, malware and counterfeits.

Why even make these straw men? What's the use?

1) Who said that games need to be sold at cost?

2) Who said anything about stopping Sony doing anything?

Does the fact that you can unlock Android phones mean that the manufacturers (or Google) have now gone out of business? Or that they can't curate their stores?

Just a super low effort reply.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by alexchamberlain »

gridlockd wrote: post #57
Joeri wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do newspapers need to know what websites every subscriber visits in order to put ads in the paper? The idea that privacy needs to be conceded in order for a healthy ad market to exist is false.

Not sure about "healthy", but un-targeted advertising is a total waste of money, unless you're some big generic brand. High-value advertising revenue generally comes from very specific brands targeting very specific users. Of course you can do certain kinds of targeted advertising without user profiles, but I don't see how that would work on Facebook.

Does it not depend on context? For example, you don’t need to know anything about the user of a recipe website to know they are hungry and once they pick a recipe, some basic notion of what they are looking for.

On top of that, extremely course information can be gathered without tracking users. For example, you can probably get a country level location and maybe even language from the request the browser sends.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by pseudalopex »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #97
ziftface wrote: post #91

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Apple absolutely does abuse their power as a monopoly. I'm not sure how that's related to asking users for permission to share data with third parties, which is what this was about.

Apple is exempting itself from this policy, keeping its own tracking on by default: https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?... Previously, Apple and third-party tracking were both controlled by the same opt-put setting. Using your power as platform owner to turn your competitor’s ad tracking off by default while keeping yours on? Sure seems abusive to me.

iOS 14 has a prompt for third party tracking.[1] It isn't off by default.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/22/apple-ios-14-ad-tracking/

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by reaperducer »

cactus2093 wrote: post #177
hinkley wrote: post #122

The abuser playbook really is pretty standard. I'm kind of surprised we don't have classes on how to avoid being on the receiving end. Push the person until they crack, then call for discretion and dialog about the 'problem' so you don't get what's coming to you. But that would probably conflict tremendously with the corporate interests that inform our public education system.

You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Or unions.

While teachers unions have been great for teachers, they've been lousy for teaching.

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