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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by fsloth »

podgaj wrote: post #176
scott_siskind wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what country offers disability benefits for these conditions? This is for me a (as a fellow sufferer of some of these conditions, who has never received any state support and doesn't even have health insurance) an extremely shaky moral ground. Because 95% of the homeless population and drug addicts are clinically diagnosable of most of these conditions under DSM IV definitions. And almost none of th…

I am in the U.S. and I am lucky because I am white and my OCD kept me from using any drugs to cope. But I was hospitalized several times and had a few suicide attempts, plus my family history. Those are all big factors in getting disability. If you are homeless and do not have an address there is zero chance to get disability. That is why we should house them first without any qualifications. Or maybe they justneed t…

Did I understand this correctly - if you are homeless in US you are automatically ineligible for disability benefits from state?

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by PaulKeeble »

podgaj wrote: post #174
PaulKeeble wrote: post #162

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The more I am unfortunately exposed to this after catching ME/CFS the more I realise medicine has a huge professionalism problem. Maybe a better term is a religious problem. Anything they cant currently explain is the patients fault. Having chronic energy fatigue issues is just me being lazy apparently and the enormous crashes I get after exercise are me doing wrong. The hundreds of thousands of c19 patients that dev…

Both myself and my mother were diagnosed with ME at one point. And I agree, even when my tests came back weird my primary care doctor would say, "What do you want to do now?" Argh

Alas I am living that. I did my homework I have worked out what I want to do next and I am being told no. The tests I want they can't order as they are apparently too specialist for general practice and the drugs to find the issue via treatment are too far too off label for them to justify despite studies and clinical efficicacy from other countries. I just view that as a refusal to diagnose and treat me, no point putting it on me if you aren't then going to let me treat myself.

It is frankly absurd to put this onto the patient. It is all about their perceived Physchological basis of the disease, they will humour you on tests and some low harm drugs until you run out of stuff and hope you will finally see the light that CBT will help you.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by codeknight11 »

stared wrote: post #137

...until it fails. I am a person who's perseverance towards my life goals caused depression, anxiety, and panic disorders. And almost my life. I wanted to become a top scientist. Yet, the academic path is full of disillusionment (mainly with the system). Perseverance gave me the power to go through sacrifices one after another and to carry on. However, only after I let it go (and turning to data science / deep learni…

Is that your blog? Thanks for sharing your perspective

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Post by podgaj »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #182
podgaj wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both myself and my mother were diagnosed with ME at one point. And I agree, even when my tests came back weird my primary care doctor would say, "What do you want to do now?" Argh

Alas I am living that. I did my homework I have worked out what I want to do next and I am being told no. The tests I want they can't order as they are apparently too specialist for general practice and the drugs to find the issue via treatment are too far too off label for them to justify despite studies and clinical efficicacy from other countries. I just view that as a refusal to diagnose and treat me, no point pu…

If there is any test you should get is is a serum amino acid test.

I have done much of the foot work on ME/CFS. Start looking into aldehydes (malondialdehyde specifically) and the role they play. Also, if you can get your genetics from Ancestry it could help you understand yourself more.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by podgaj »

fsloth wrote: post #181
podgaj wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in the U.S. and I am lucky because I am white and my OCD kept me from using any drugs to cope. But I was hospitalized several times and had a few suicide attempts, plus my family history. Those are all big factors in getting disability. If you are homeless and do not have an address there is zero chance to get disability. That is why we should house them first without any qualifications. Or maybe they justneed t…

Did I understand this correctly - if you are homeless in US you are automatically ineligible for disability benefits from state?

Legally, no. Functionally, yes. Even though they no longer mail checks you need a bank account as well. And then the issue with getting in contact with you.

There is only wealth in this country because we treat the most vulnerable like garbage.

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Post by podgaj »

pygy_ wrote: post #178
codeknight11 wrote: post #160

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I am curious. How does protein intake affect mental health?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTP_cyclohydrolase_I The deficiency causes problems with amino acid metabolism, which themselves mess up the brain. The depression was a mere symptom of the underlying disease. When you read the DSM, you realize there are no mental illnesses, just syndromes: sets of signs and symptoms. Except in select few cases, the pathophysiology is unknown.

That is what I tell everyone struggling with unknown health issues: There are no diseases, only symptoms.

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Post by thesz »

codeknight11 wrote: post #160
podgaj wrote: post #152

I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…

I am curious. How does protein intake affect mental health?

Not mental health, but mental state.

Protein is split into amino acids and then recombined into proteins inside body. The splitting process and recombination process need glucose in blood and, effectively, drain glucose from blood.

In my experience, some of the amino acid sport drinks can drain glucose from blood to the point where I had clear signs of very low glucose levels, including restlessness and shaking limbs.

The glucose level may affect mood and has other interesting effects.

If you look at what carbs, fats and proteins do with you mood, I think you will see that carbs make one relaxed (see relation between carbs and orexin), fats make one jolly (due to endocannabioids) and proteins make one awake (draining carbs from blood, mainly).

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by podgaj »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #170
podgaj wrote: post #152

I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…

> After I yelled at my doctors for years to look more deeply This is the thing I hate most about dealing with doctors. As a child doctors failed to diagnose in me a condition so obvious that a friend of my mother, who works at an airport, was able to figure it out from a mere description. Still my mother had to get angry with the doctor before he would perform a simple blood test for it! Like in any profession, most…

And, once you are diagnosed with a mood disorder they will not look at anything else. Anything other symptom arises from "my mood disorder". Skin issues, hyperlipidemia, gut issues, pain, etc...all in my head.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by podgaj »

eric4smith wrote: post #33

Yes to this. I often counsel my younger friends to have a "mission". Then once that is completed, to find another one. In fact, one can have multiple missions running at the same time. It's rarely said that marriage, kids, job, degree, a house, car, and most physical things are not missions. And in fact, most of these things -- unless accompanied by a "why am i doing this" and attendant missions/goals do not lead to…

Have you ever heard of Wu Wei? Action-less action?

You think you have control of your life, but you do not.

Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by gfodor »

podgaj wrote: post #152

I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…

I empathize with your frustration, but you're letting your personal experience override logic.

You've made a simple logical error: a study claiming that people who have goals can fend off depression does not imply that those with depression have it because they do not have goals. It means that some people who don't have goals, but do have depression, may remedy it by getting goals. But not everyone.

If the research above is resulting in psychiatrists becoming lazy, it's because they're making the same logical error you are making. So in that sense, you should avoid doing so, since the kind of error you are making is the very thing which leads to the behavior you've experienced.

The proper response (by you, and psychiatrists) is to conclude that trying to encourage goal formation in those with depression seems wise, and will help some, but many (like yourself) will not benefit. Nor should we invert causation and assume the reason people have depression is due to lack of goals, much like if we determined that eating a specific kind of food helped prevent cancer meant that those who for whatever reason didn't have that food in their diet were somehow causing their own cancer by neglecting to eat it.

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