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LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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This question comes up on every post about a big tech company. LinkedIn in a global company operating commercially in probably almost every country. The "social network for work" part is easy but when you start talking about things like job listings across the world and then the sales and account management and local office management and compliance and the internal tools and billing and everything else, it's quite e…

>This question comes up on every post about a big tech company. And in turn, there are always replies that justify these head counts in ways that I still have a hard time buying into. All I have to go off is on my own experience, but I worked at a large retailer/wholesaler that had: - 1500 retail store locations. - Probably a half dozen warehouses. - A couple high volume ecommerce sites (not at LinkedIn scale, but sc…

This is one of those things you can't tell anyone¹. You just learn it by trying differently and failing.

¹ http://habitatchronicles.com/2004/04/you-cant-tell-people-an...

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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Linkedin wasn't on Azure until MS bought them. Now the TCO has gone up. GitHub has also shown signs of the Azure infrastructure.

Considering they last posted about moving to Azure in 2019, I doubt they've moved everything to azure in <12 months.

You're right. I think downtime is holding them back.

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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Yeah doesn’t Amazon lay off 10% of devs every year as part of their stack ranking?

Almost. 10% are put into a "Dev List" which starts with some coaching on how they should improve. It then likely leads to a "Pivot" where the employee is given the option to take a 3 month pay severance, or go on a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP) (likely biased against the employee, as manager and manager's manager have already put a lot of work into getting here and have made up their mind). Failing the PIP, they…

Many of the places where I worked if they PIP'd you start looking. They already made up their minds. If they get a 'get rid of X% of people' you will be in that list.

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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As a counterpoint to your post, I was recently hired by a 3000 person company who paid an external recruiter to post a job on LinkedIn and do the initial screening of me, which was extremely light. 8 rounds of interviewing with the company virtually later, I was hired. The interviews involved a mix of live coding, system design, and general questions about commonly used programming languages and frameworks. I persona…

Testing platforms charge the company tens of dollars per test, so it makes a lot of sense to have a person double check that the resume is relevant rather than sending tests automatically.

I suppose I see where you are coming from but a testing platform was never involved in my journey, just google docs.

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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I think it's also that the economics are just different. If you're evaluating a CICD tool at a small company, you're going to find something affordable and bend your process to how it works. A mid-size company might invest a bit into customizing Jenkins hoping that it will pay off in the long run. A giant company might spend millions building a fully custom system from the ground up because gaining 1% more efficiency…

From what I have seen, the internal tooling is usually worse than what is publicly available. Often times it is only used because it was built before there was anything publically available, and now all of their tooling and workflow depend on it and they can’t easily change. Plus no one wants to rock the boat and suggest throwing out a tool that likely employs a bunch of people.

And the return of investment for the change is low plus it's an extremely hard sell for management ("we'll work 2 years to get roughly where we are now and maybe get 3 minor features plus the promise of lower maintenance in the future").

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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To expand on https://danluu.com/sounds-easy/ , 10k people aren't required per se, they're there to make more money than they cost. Specifically: - sales & billing for linkedin premium, lynda, and other paid products - billing fraud detection, to cut the cost of chargebacks - security, to prevent that one leak from happening again, to keep PCI compliance, etc. - spam filtering, tuned to balance keeping paying customer…

> they're there to make more money than they cost. This is the key most people ignore. If each employee generates revenue greater than their cost of employment, why not keep them around? The goal isn't keeping the lights on, its making money.

To pull in a side topic on this very idea -- it's crazy that Congress chooses to defund and target the IRS, their own tool for revenue generation. Can you imagine how much money each IRS employee can bring in? I know there's stealth doctrinal reasons for engaging in the shenanigans, but at a practical level, cmon, we're shooting ourselves in the foot.

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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960 is 6% of the global LinkedIn workforce. I am baffled by how many people work for LinkedIn.

I'm baffled by that number given how bad the product is. It has a lot of potential, but is completely ruined by the social media aspect and their attempt at making it yet another cesspool like Twitter or Instagram, all the way down to the algorithmic feed, likes and reactions. They should step away from the nonsense and make the tool (because yes it should be seen as a tool and not a lifestyle) easier to use, not har…

Is it alright not to have a profile picture on LinledIn? I've searched around and only found advice telling me to put one.

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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What the heck do close to 10k people do at LinkedIn? Serious question. Why does this site/company require 10k people?

Look at an up to date org chart of a tech company of 1.3k people and what they do: https://about.gitlab.com/company/team/org-chart/ If you now think that all business divisions have more work to perform due to scale, and that for development, you want to have more parallel streams of work, this should give you an approximate idea of what an order of magnitude larger company uses 10k people for.

Looking at that chart I was puzzled at some of the roles.

Why would there be a person who is only doing pricing? - ie Pricing Manager.

Yet if you read the job description: https://about.gitlab.com/job-families/product/pricing-manage...

you can start to understand how crucial pricing could be to a large organization that they could dedicate a person(and a whole team underneath!) solely to pricing goods and services.

EDIT: At the same time you wonder if pretty much all jobs follow Parkinson's role: job filling up to fill up the time.

You have a whole team of talented front end guys at Youtube (or Gmail or Dropbox or ..) and front-end will change and features will be added or dropped because well something needs to be done.

So wouldn't this same principle apply to other jobs? Pricing Manager would keep fiddling with prices if there is nothing else to do. Obviously there would be justifications to higher ups.

Re: LinkedIn to cut 960 jobs worldwide

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A lot of the very big companies are quite reluctant to start layoffs if they think the situation can be survived for a few months. They don't want to be seen as evil firing-their-contractors, people-as-expendable, etc. They are an easy target as "big corp".

But if they can see this is going to go on more than the end of 2020, they will start having to confront the need to layoff people seriously. Interestingly, the more certainty they have about how bad it is, the sooner the layoffs.

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