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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by dv_dt »

devalgo wrote: post #42
_ea1k wrote: post #6

I feel like there is too much emphasis on these and not enough on the ones that earnestly want to go back to work. There should be a balance here, as we really do need a lot of students to have access to schools in the fall. Remote learning doesn't work for everyone and leaves a lot of people behind. The overall consequences of another lost semester may be far worse than the consequences of reopening.

>may be far worse than the consequences of reopening. Let's be perfectly clear, this isn't something abstract. The consequences are dead kids and dead teachers. Get that through your head. You of course imagine it won't be your kids that die but there's absolutely no reason to think that.

Dead parents too, because even if the kids don't die from at the same rate, they can and will spread the disease.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by antepodius »

cool_dude85 wrote: post #172
eaandkw wrote: post #150

I have pretty much given up on everybody at this point. I have already pulled my kid from school and will not send them back. I am in a single income family and I am now working from home. All actions and purchases at this point are to help us to become more independant from the system. Society and government at large has shown itself to be unreliable and undependable. I am also making longer term plans to move out o…

Not sure where you're from, but in many places, "society and government" has not failed people the same way it has in the US. Even within the US there are some places where local and state government have performed much better than places like Florida or NYC. That is to say, the problem is not, conceptually, "society and government", but instead, the American society and American government we have today. Don't give…

Withdrawing and becoming independent from state systems isn't giving up; it's probably a first step towards a more organic, liberated society.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by triceratops »

sfotm wrote: post #146
yboris wrote: post #133

A protest sign I saw is an apt response to the situation: "Why should we go to school if you won't listen to the educated?"

Because education is valuable regardless of whether or not everyone listens to you?

If no one listens to you, who is a formal education valuable to, exactly? I assign no personal value to the pieces of paper I got from the various institutions I've graduated from - society and the job market values them.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

sfotm wrote: post #146
yboris wrote: post #133

A protest sign I saw is an apt response to the situation: "Why should we go to school if you won't listen to the educated?"

Because education is valuable regardless of whether or not everyone listens to you?

True, but not the point. The point is that those in authority are acting both inconsistently and stupidly.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

triceratops wrote: post #183
sfotm wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because education is valuable regardless of whether or not everyone listens to you?

If no one listens to you, who is a formal education valuable to, exactly? I assign no personal value to the pieces of paper I got from the various institutions I've graduated from - society and the job market values them.

To you, even if nobody listens to you.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by ars »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #151
doopy-loopy2 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deaths in children are essentially 0

Today I learned that children live on their own and never interact with adults away from school.

Maybe we should do that - big boarding houses, get all those kids infected, then they are immune and we can ship them to school :)

/s if that wasn't obvious - but with a small element of truth.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by dv_dt »

leetrout wrote: post #128
flatline wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say that's a false dichotomy. Lots of kids won't have access to a safe environment during the day without school. There will be no visibility for those suffering abuse. Physical abuse will be worse with a kid at home with an abusive parent all day, under stress. There will be less access to food for many children. The virus holds the potential of devastating effects on school children and their families if kids g…

I 100% support your view IF they get smarter about protecting teachers and staff (masks, at a minimum). I would love to buy my wife a fogger so she could be sure her room was disinfected properly at the end of every day. Of course they are sold out and it's likely someone would complain about that, too.

I have relatives where they live, the school plan is required mask wearing in hallways, but not in classrooms. This seems like madness.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by triceratops »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #185
triceratops wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If no one listens to you, who is a formal education valuable to, exactly? I assign no personal value to the pieces of paper I got from the various institutions I've graduated from - society and the job market values them.

To you, even if nobody listens to you.

I already answered that.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by Oxx »

eaandkw wrote: post #150

I have pretty much given up on everybody at this point. I have already pulled my kid from school and will not send them back. I am in a single income family and I am now working from home. All actions and purchases at this point are to help us to become more independant from the system. Society and government at large has shown itself to be unreliable and undependable. I am also making longer term plans to move out o…

Good. The current state of the world is incredibly unnatural when you compare it to even 50 years ago. Everything is too connected. We are so much more efficient, but so much more fragile. The best thing you can do to save the world is save yourself and your family. Less fragility, more robustness at the personal / local level.

I am mid twenties, and was homeschooled my entire childhood. My father owned a technology company, and brought me to work with him most days. People talk about homeschooling being damaging due to the lack of exposure to the "real world", but I have had more exposure to reality than most, due to the constant exposure to actual working life.

Don't be afraid of "sheltering" your children by not having them be part of the system. There is so much more out there than the system. Your kids will turn out weird vs other kids raised in the standard environment, but its a good kind of weird.

My family was very involved with the homeschooling movement in our state, so I am more exposed than most to the sub-culture. Feel free to ask me any more specific questions.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by antepodius »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #159
eaandkw wrote: post #150

I have pretty much given up on everybody at this point. I have already pulled my kid from school and will not send them back. I am in a single income family and I am now working from home. All actions and purchases at this point are to help us to become more independant from the system. Society and government at large has shown itself to be unreliable and undependable. I am also making longer term plans to move out o…

The real illness is on a different level - it's the way the main culture in the US sees and understands the world. It makes some spectacularly wrong assumptions there. But those assumptions were never seriously challenged (no enemies nearby, dominance after WW2), so then why change, right? Now those assumptions are being challenged. And of course a lot of people, rather than change and give up their cherished "identi…

Your only example here is 'masks'. The rest of your comment could equally be applied to the american left or right, depending on your perspective.
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