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Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by jaekash »

nightowl_games wrote: post #173
jaekash wrote: post #163

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My first thought when seeing this post links to snapstore was "ugh, not that garbage again". Every time I tried using Snappy on fedora it did not work and was so horrible I reverted to immediately removing snappy from my computer afterwards. Canonical makes garbage software that is superficially easy to use but flimsy and flaky.

I'm all for Snap criticism, but Ubuntu is clearly good software made by Canonical. We need to stop using this level of inflammation in our discourse.

> Ubuntu is clearly good software made by Canonical

I can only speak for my own experience but if I had to choose between using Ubuntu for the rest of my life and losing a finger, I think I would lose a finger.

There is no worse operating system I have ever used. It is Linux made by people who never bothered to open a manpage, software engineered by people who think engineering is waste of time. It is basically the Robert McNamara of operating systems, I can just hear him now, "there is no such thing as planning or engineering, just crisis management". Funny thing is they probably think crisis management is too big an ask.

One of my biggest gripes with Windows is that many parts of it feels like it was created by people who never even tried it because it should be obvious to anybody who ever tried it that it is a horrible user experience.

Ubuntu is basically the dumpster fire version of this. It's like someone read about dumpster fires and thought "wow, that sounds nice, how can we make an operating system like that".

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by tudorconstantin »

kelnos wrote: post #111
awill wrote: post #10

Google needs to release desktop apps in Flutter (Youtube Music, Chat, Meet etc..). a Webapp is fine for occasional use, but Google Chat can't compete with Slack without a real app.

I uninstalled Slack's desktop "app" a long time ago and never looked back. The browser version is much better, and doesn't require me to have an extra (often buggy, in my experience) browser instance open in order to use it. Calling it an "app" is somewhat laughable, since it's just their website packaged up in a standalone web browser, plus a minimal amount of platform-specific glue.

I am not able to screenshare in slack from browser on Linux, only from the electron app.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by akerro »

brnt wrote: post #105
akerro wrote: post #56

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>It's the best multi-platform solution for mobile They announced beta version for Windows in the last few weeks, so what to expect? I've been using it on linux desktop for 4 months so far, there were many problems, but it's absolutely the best framework so far. It's miles ahead of Qt (which I've been programming in since 2010). Dart and flutter are just years ahead of Java, C#, Qt and React Native in terms of positiv…

Hoe is it ahead of Qt (on desktop)?

I wrote it's more pleasant to be used by programmers by giving better experience, then I wrote it's ecosystem is immature, but growing. As of now, it has its better and worse sides.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by owaislone »

rst wrote: post #52

So, this makes Flutter apps available through Canonical's Snap store... which is Ubuntu-mostly right now, and controversial enough that the top item on the HN front page as I write is about an Ubuntu derivative (Linux Mint) explicitly dropping support for it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23771847

Flutter announced support for Linux. Canonical announced that they'll help the Flutter team in making Flutter a great option to do app dev on Linux. They also published Flutter SDK to the Snap store, the preferred app store for Canonical. None of this means that people cannot package and publish Flutter to Debian, Ark or Fedora repositories. It'll still support Linux as a whole as long as the dependencies are present on the system. Canoncal is just investing resources in making sure it works for their distribution of Linux as well as possible, not to ensure that it only works on Ubuntu.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by vesinisa »

mwcampbell wrote: post #141
vesinisa wrote: post #137

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Frankly that feels exactly like a Flash page. Natively selecting text content isn't supported on either Firefox or Chrome on Android (apart from within inputs). Scrolling is broken ("yanky"). Flutter for Web further feels like a nightmare for accessibility. I tried enabling the native Google screenreader on my device. It only says "No text found at that location" when I try to read any of the Flutter demo pages in ei…

About accessibility, you need to find the "Enable accessibility" button and press it first. It's not visible on screen, but you should be able to find it with your screen reader's navigation commands (e.g. swiping left and right on a touch device). Yeah, it kind of sucks that the user has to turn accessibility on, and for that reason alone, I will never willingly develop a web application with Flutter. But at least i…

Right, to be fair I was able to enable the accessibility mode with your instructions. This way, the text content is indeed accessible to a screen reader. However, navigation in any of the demo apps with a screen reader was completely broken. So a user might be able to read a single page but not discover further content. With normal web pages we usually have elements that enable navigation regardless of visual gimmicks.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by cutler »

akerro wrote: post #56
RivieraKid wrote: post #31

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I've been using Flutter in the last few months and agree. It's the best multi-platform solution for mobile , although it still doesn't match native behavior and performance, it only gets close. On the web it's DOA for most use cases - it's just a canvas, so scrolling, text selection, shadow rendering, etc. is custom, doesn't feel native and must be downloaded and compiled. It can have a future on desktop. One "cultur…

>It's the best multi-platform solution for mobile They announced beta version for Windows in the last few weeks, so what to expect? I've been using it on linux desktop for 4 months so far, there were many problems, but it's absolutely the best framework so far. It's miles ahead of Qt (which I've been programming in since 2010). Dart and flutter are just years ahead of Java, C#, Qt and React Native in terms of positiv…

Flutter widget hell makes Javascript callback trees look tame. I just don't get the buzz around this atrocious style of coding.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by jamil7 »

kjksf wrote: post #82
jamil7 wrote: post #53

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> FFI is quite a PITA This is what made me nope out of it last time I experimented with a Flutter module in my app. I'm still watching it closely though as it could be a great fit for other projects.

This might be outdated opinion (hard to tell without OP explaining what he finds "a PITA"). dart:ffi ( https://dart.dev/guides/libraries/c-interop ) is a recent addition to Dart and from where I stand it's a decent FFI system. Maybe not as good as PInvoke in C# or ffi in luajit but better than, say, jni in Java (and any other FFI system that requires you to write glue code in C i.e. python, ruby, nodejs).

Thanks good to know, my experience was most likely outdated as well.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by cutler »

rowanG077 wrote: post #112
akerro wrote: post #56

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>It's the best multi-platform solution for mobile They announced beta version for Windows in the last few weeks, so what to expect? I've been using it on linux desktop for 4 months so far, there were many problems, but it's absolutely the best framework so far. It's miles ahead of Qt (which I've been programming in since 2010). Dart and flutter are just years ahead of Java, C#, Qt and React Native in terms of positiv…

Dart is the reason I don't like flutter. Why do you feel C# is worse then Dart?

Dart is just about tolerable but Dart + Flutter widget hell is not.

Re: Flutter for Linux

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Post by jamil7 »

reactchain wrote: post #140
RivieraKid wrote: post #31

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I've been using Flutter in the last few months and agree. It's the best multi-platform solution for mobile , although it still doesn't match native behavior and performance, it only gets close. On the web it's DOA for most use cases - it's just a canvas, so scrolling, text selection, shadow rendering, etc. is custom, doesn't feel native and must be downloaded and compiled. It can have a future on desktop. One "cultur…

Flutter for web feels like going back to the .net "webforms" days, where you could supposedly build a web app the same way as a desktop one and the whole client-server thing was abstracted away. Except it sucked , I still have nightmares about viewstate. Seeing Flutter apps that render everything to canvas feels similar. Developing once for iOS and Android seems obvious and doable, but extending that to the web is a…

> Developing once for iOS and Android seems obvious and doable

After shipping an app in it this year I've become a big fan of Kotlin Native, you can do enough code sharing to take the edge of doing two apps as a solo dev while having very little friction to access native views and APIs. The two apps feel like platform citizens on each OS but I have networking, persistence, utils and state management shared between them.

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