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However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.
Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.
I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…
I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…
So, the same eating pattern gets exploited day in day out and people end up deficient in the things you mentioned, plus potassium.
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I wouldn't be surprised if quarantine is leading to an historic spike in D deficiency.
Oh man, I've never seen so many people out walking in my neighborhood during the day as at the height of the "lockdown". I bet foot traffic was up 5x normal per week, or more. 10:1 it's exactly the opposite and vitamin D levels have improved.
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Just measuring those 4 costs 83€ in a laboratory in Vienna. And there are more measurements one should probably take! And you need to test them more than once to see if supplementation works and you are not getting too much. That's not cheap...
We're talking an expense of somewhere around 1k total over a period of a few months. While not within everyone's reach (and if a single check is performed say yearly after initial alteration of your diet also an ongoing expense), it's far from an insurmountable cost. Especially considering this directly impacts your day-to-day well-being.
As you say, this directly impacts day-to-day wellbeing. It's exactly the kind of thing that should, if it's even moderately effective, be provided free of charge for every human being.
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Just measuring those 4 costs 83€ in a laboratory in Vienna. And there are more measurements one should probably take! And you need to test them more than once to see if supplementation works and you are not getting too much. That's not cheap...
I had a load of blood tests done in the uk and the health insurance company were charged over £1000. I couldn’t believe it!
I remember doing some tests once that had a cost breakdown and they would vary a lot in price (meaning some would be let's say, single digits, some others would be in the triple digits area - think USD/EUR price ranges)
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> Since taking a basic multi-vitamin is good anyway.... Could you elaborate on that? I thought that taking vitamin supplements without a recommendation from a doctor is just a way to have very expensive piss. Most of the things that get in, are removed from the body without being absorbed.
It depends on where you live. Some places in northern latitudes such as the UK recommend everyone take daily Vitamin D supplements due to low UV exposure in the late-fall/winter/early-spring. See https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-... As far as if that means you take that as a multi-vitamin pill vs D3 supplements alone I guess is up to the individual. But either option only costs a few dollar…
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These are also from recommended amounts which we have no idea what optimal is. Has there been studies to say what the blood levels of vitamin d etc. should actually be?
The scientific consensus tends to suggest a serum level of Vit D ~ 30 ng/mL as optimal. Bone abnormalities are expected with levels healthy individuals show most people at <20 ng/mL. My take on the reports is that you want supplementation if it's below 10 ng/mL, with diminishing returns past that. The supplementation required to achieve 30 ng, or even 20 ng/mL for most people probably isn't worth it, and with uninten…
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Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.
I took > 100,000IU for nearly 3 months (look up the Coimbra Protocol) with no ill effects. Avoid calcium like your life depends on it (even for months after stopping) and you'll likely be fine (I am not a doctor, this is not advice, just sharing my experience.)
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Getting too much of many vitamins can harm your health though.
Not true of B12 at least. No known upper limit as of now.
“Several studies have shown that megadoses of the vitamin can lead to outbreaks of acne and rosacea, a skin condition that causes redness and pus-filled bumps on the face. Yet, it should be noted that most of these studies focused on high-dose injections rather than oral supplements (5, 6, 7).
There is also some evidence suggesting that high doses of B12 may lead to negative health outcomes in those with diabetes or kidney disease. One study found that people with diabetic nephropathy (loss of kidney function due to diabetes) experienced a more rapid decline in kidney function when supplemented with high-dose B vitamins, including 1 mg per day of B12. What’s more, the participants receiving the high-dose B vitamins had a greater risk of heart attack, stroke and death, compared to those receiving a placebo (8).
Another study in pregnant women showed that extremely high B12 levels due to vitamin supplements increased the risk of autism spectrum disorder in their offspring (9).“
From: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/too-much-vitamin-b12#he...