I know this is hard for some people to accept, but the police deal with the worst dregs of society every day so you don't have to. They get pissed on, stabbed, punched in the face, shot, and killed working for less than 1/4 of the pay of many software developers do. We bitch about JavaScript vs Golang while they have to wonder if the next person they pull over for a speeding ticket is going to pull a gun on them. They have no binary way of knowing who means them harm and who doesn't. It's an extremely delicate judgment call made in split seconds that often means the difference between life and death. In the meantime, how many murdered people's family members have you had to console in the past few weeks? How many rape victims have you had to listen from? How many dead bodies have you scraped off the pavement? How many suicides have you investigated? Nobody is in favor of excess force being applied to people, but I cannot support the over-the-top rhetoric about the by and large good people that work in the police force either.
A collection of videos of police brutality
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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#182As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.
> savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.
You're talking about this oft-shared video, I imagine:
https://twitter.com/LibertyHangout/status/126692640226952396...
Yea, wow, those protesters really did a number on that guy. Obviously he was just defending his shop from Thugs, right?
Oh wait... no. He was a crazy person running at protesters with a sword:
https://twitter.com/sable_sonya/status/1267148333203800064
And look at that, those Thugs, after protecting themselves from him, then took on the role of First Responder, and started treating him:
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/126692749194958848...
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#183Tangentially related: anybody have links for good op-sec guides for creating a site that might make dangerous people pissed off?
Twitter seems to be doing a good job. Maybe you don't create a site, but resurface the content on different social media.
Yeah, that is true. The problem is that twitter is also a firehose of effluent. It would be nice to have curated content and dialog too.
The other angle is memes. I think that bumper sticker politics is more relevant today than when it was on actual bumpers.
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.
They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy: Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a localized area. (This already exists) Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could see this being a parental control) Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.
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I had a similar idea about bioweapons the other day
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#185As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.
While I suspect the percentage of overall police actions that are brutal, unethical, or harmful are tiny it is still a subject that demands a far greater degree of transparency. The subject identifies several challenges:
* police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed
* all accused are innocent until proven guilty regardless of their profession or who they are. You don’t want police accused of horrible conduct policing but at the same time they need a process of defense, as does everybody
Honestly, much of this problem could be addressed by mandating body cams. I have known police officers who live by their body cams to ensure everyone is honest. Until that happens what would you suggest to change the current situation?
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?
Ah yes, cops telling you that they didn't do it. At first I said to myself "he didn't do it, he isn't a cop..." and then I started to think about the source of the information. I'm not taking sides here. I don't know if he did it or not. I just like to question all sources at this point. Just because they say they didn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't do it.
I'd totally buy you argument if there was evidence of it being a cop to begin with. But there isn't, as far as I'm able to determine.
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.
They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy: Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a localized area. (This already exists) Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could see this being a parental control) Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.
There are also countless people who’d gladly knowingly sign up to implement such a feature. No need to try some roundabout way when all you need to do is feel out the political leanings of a couple guys in the office then recruit them for a secret project.
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy: Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a localized area. (This already exists) Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could see this being a parental control) Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.
Someone would have to add their integrations though. The features won't be joined magically together.
There are enough qualified amoral mercenary devs out there who would be willing to do it - and keep quiet about it.
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#189I know this is hard for some people to accept, but the police deal with the worst dregs of society every day so you don't have to. They get pissed on, stabbed, punched in the face, shot, and killed working for less than 1/4 of the pay of many software developers do. We bitch about JavaScript vs Golang while they have to wonder if the next person they pull over for a speeding ticket is going to pull a gun on them. The…
> It's an extremely delicate judgment call made in split seconds that often means the difference between life and death
How come cops in many other countries are so much better at making these judgement calls than in the US?
Re: A collection of videos of police brutality
#190Genuine unprovoked and unnecessary police brutality incidents are incredibly rare (relative to all police interactions) and hardly an epidemic. When someone is breaking the law and resisting arrest the police have no choice but to be violent with the resistor. Unfortunately these incidents often get categorized as "police brutality" when they're really just a necessary use of force. More broadly, the entire narrative…
"Don't believe your lying eyes." https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-wo...
That video is a 5 second long anecdote. Regardless, the woman was probably told to move and was refusing. When you disobey riot police in a riot situation that's what happens and I absolutely side with the police.
Data literally supports what I'm saying. A distorting narrative is what's driving all the recent calls to action and solidarity. People are being lied to and misled, either that or they are just using the narrative to push their own agendas.