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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

> Zoom is not a Chinese company

So how do you call a company whose operations are more than 90% in China, employing Chinese engineers, under the supervision of the CCP? You may be technically right, on paper it's a "US company", but come on...

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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PRC = China for conversations regarding government policy and potential privacy violations and undue pressure on development. The same concerns could be had for software developed in the U.S. US Gov = U.S. for all intents and purposes with regard to this topic. Now you're just splitting hairs.

> Now you're just splitting hairs. No, I am not. I am hitting on something which makes some people angry. There's a difference. As long as the Republic of China is independent, this isn't hair-splitting. > The same concerns could be had for software developed in the U.S. Of course not. The US isn't an authoritarian regime.

Try to effect some justice, and you'll quickly learn how authoritarian the US is.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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keybase is unfortunately one of those programs that combine many things into one - somewhat antithetical to the Unix philosophy of doing one thing well.

For kbfs, tahoe-lafs is a nice alternative. I don't know about the fuse interface as I haven't used it, but it has some solid fundamentals behind it, actively being developed and can be self hosted.

GPG still works! GPG also is a swiss army knife, unfortunately. There is OpenBSD signify (or minisign) if you want signatures.

There is also age - https://github.com/FiloSottile/age

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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> What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners? It's about the accuracy of the claim that there's involuntary harvesting going on: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harve... There was harvesting going on of prisoners that have already been executed. China admitted as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbxvZ2lIR08 This practice h…

Well met! I hope I don't sound like some maniac. In re: the organ harvesting, I really hope you're right. I mean I really fervently hope you're right. (It reminds me of the Walled City of Kowloon. I saw a BBC documentary about it and was haunted for years . Then one day I looked it up and, lo and behold, they had torn it down years ago. Always value new information, eh?) > But the video footage speak for themselves.…

Cheers, glad you're open to new perspectives.

A few additions:

The man who got burned didn't die. He got hospitalized for a few months. He is now recovered, but with scars and trauma. Here is an interview with his wife back when he was still in coma: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3038421/wife...

FYI, SCMP is based in HK, though they are partly owned by a mainland company. Still, I find that SCMP as a whole is pretty balanced. The site has a mix of pro and anti CCP articles. The sentiment varies between authors.

> For me, it's useful emotionally to distinguish and blame "the Commies" because that way I can say to myself that Chinese people aren't to blame for the fucked up things the CCP does.

I understand.

To me, the people are to blame too. As explained in the article, CCP has 90 million members. Just the party only has more people than many EU countries. Many members are normal people: doctors, nurses, factory workers, businessmen. The CCP isn't a small elite who rules over the mainland, they are the fabric of mainland society.

The madness of the cultural revolution wasn't a CCP only thing. Many people supported the madness, that's why it took off. We all own the madness. Nowadays we can see that it was wrong.

I think there is nothing wrong with the normal people owning mistakes. I think it is rather crucial, in order to learn and move forward.

> As an American the very idea that someone from the government would get on my case for speech is preposterous.

I see what you mean. China still isn't quite on that level. But don't know whether it ever will be.

But at the same time, I don't think it's fair to judge China by that standard. China has a very different history and condition. If you judge it by western standards, China will forever disappoint you, for nothing else but "it's not like the west".

Here's what I think is a better perspective to judge China by:

The country literally had 150 years of war, revolution and poverty. Starting 40 years ago or so, that is finally over. China was quite low on the Maslow pyramid of needs, so it's no wonder they prioritize food, safety, money, prosperity.

And they succeeded in that. Everyone can eat, which was not at all a given. 200 million people lifted out of poverty -- the biggest contribution in the world. Universal Healthcare. Millions of Chinese travel to foreign countries every year, and pretty much all of them voluntarily go back. For the most part, Chinese people nowadays live a normal live.

Economic freedom, the right to survival, the right to health, are human rights too. The CCP prioritizes those over freedom of speech. As a developing country, it is impossible to prioritize everything, so you have to make choices.

It's also not just a case of "China is still behind the west, but they are working on it, give them a break". On some dimensions, they are ahead, or at least different. For example:

Chinese cities are very safe. You can go out at night, into dark alleys, without getting mugged. The police don't carry guns, there's no need to.

China managed to restore huge parts of deserts into green land.

China as a state also faces threats. The censorship, which I don't like, is meant to protect against that. It's not so much criticism that they don't like (in fact there are official channels for submitting complaints), it's threats against the state. As an American that may sound weird, but recall that mainlanders are tired of 150 years of revolution. Now they want stability, unity, prosperity. And requires a stable state.

The threats are not theoretical, as I've found out recently. A big threat comes from... The US. The US regularly stages coups against governments they don't like. Even democratic governments. Democratic Iran in the 60s. And just now, Venezuela. Part of the reason why the CCP top leadership is so secretive, and why they are making society more controlling, is to protect against US lead coups.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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What sort of debunking are you referring to? Maybe you're talking about how Taiwan does not like the CCP. Correct. So let me be clear: when I said "Chinese people" I'm referring to mainlanders.

> So let me be clear: when I said "Chinese people" I'm referring to mainlanders. You claim that all mainlanders like the CCP, which is a spurious claim given not only how impossible it is to generalize over such a huge group (including people the CCP is actively persecuting, such as Uyghurs!) but also because the CCP actively punishes people who speak against it. Even aside from that, your conflation of "Chinese" and…

Not all. High level of support. There are those who are against. But overall, support is strong.

> but also because the CCP actively punishes people who speak against it.

See my other thread regarding this topic.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Oh man, you really overestimate the CCP's media competence. Take a look at the state media and propaganda in China. It's all very traditional, very straightforward, mostly fact based (even if cherry-picked). Even the infamous 50 cents army is pretty stupid, and not what you think it is: https://www.quora.com/Does-the-50-cent-army-really-exist-and... CCP influencing online discussions in the west? Hahahaha! As someone…

> As someone who's neutral (not even supportive) about the CCP, I can only hope that they become that competent within a decade. You don't sound very neutral.

I am not surprised that you think that. A lot of western discourse has gone so far off to the anti China direction that anything neutral people say can come over as pro CCP.

I am not. I have plenty of critique against them. But the sentiment in HN is already so anti China that there is no need for me to voice that critique.

I am not even saying "CCP good". I am saying "CCP not as bad as you think" and "there are alternative perspectives that are just as valid".

As for my hope that they become competent in media: it is to counter all the obvious lies. I mean... Wuhan lab virus? Really? And people willingly believe these stories all over the world?

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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> What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners? It's about the accuracy of the claim that there's involuntary harvesting going on: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harve... There was harvesting going on of prisoners that have already been executed. China admitted as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbxvZ2lIR08 This practice h…

> The more I study, the more I realize that the western view of CCP is... not exactly wrong, but very very problematic What's problematic to me is that a government censors information that could change people's minds. How can we call "legitimate" a government that is not allowing those who are supposed to be the source of its legitimacy, to access opinions and ideas that could influence their choice of which party t…

There is an alternative perspective wrt what generates legitimacy. It is improving people's livelihood. Food, health, security, education, economic prosperity. Given the huge number of low income people in China, China is still very much a developing country. And China HAS made lots of progress in those fronts, much more than any other country.

As for disallowing criticism: nowadays it's not as bad as you think. Check my other threads.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Well met! I hope I don't sound like some maniac. In re: the organ harvesting, I really hope you're right. I mean I really fervently hope you're right. (It reminds me of the Walled City of Kowloon. I saw a BBC documentary about it and was haunted for years . Then one day I looked it up and, lo and behold, they had torn it down years ago. Always value new information, eh?) > But the video footage speak for themselves.…

Cheers, glad you're open to new perspectives. A few additions: The man who got burned didn't die. He got hospitalized for a few months. He is now recovered, but with scars and trauma. Here is an interview with his wife back when he was still in coma: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3038421/wife... FYI, SCMP is based in HK, though they are partly owned by a mainland company. Still, I find that SCMP as…

> The threats are not theoretical, as I've found out recently. A big threat comes from... The US. The US regularly stages coups against governmentd they don't like. Even democratic governments. Democratic Iran in the 60s. And just now, Venezuela. Part of the reason why the CCP top leadership is so secretive, and why they are msking society more controlling, to to protect against US lead coups.

Yeah if you wonder why the Chinese are putting Uyghurs in camps it's because the US and Saudi Arabia sent Uyghurs to fight their proxy war in Syria. You can imagine what the Chinese government thinks of that.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Chat: Pick one of the many available. telegram, signal, wickr etc etc KBFS: personally I switched to gpg encrypting important files on a NAS with encrypted backups to amazon glacier and backblaze. Git: gitlab, github, bitbucket (just to name a few) Encrypted messages out-of-band: Just use plain pgp/gpg

telegram is not a secure chat app any more than skype or fb messenger are, there is some per-conversaion opt-in 'secure chat' feature with unknown guarantees that is not even available on the desktop client.
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