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Re: Firefox 76

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Post by roca »

dstaley wrote: post #161
roca wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. Browsers can't use the OS control implementations, because the demands of DOM/CSS simply can't be handled by those native implementations. But Firefox is trying to emulate the look and feel of the OS controls, using native theme drawing APIs when possible. It is very hard to get 100% right, which is why no browser does.

> Browsers can't use the OS control implementations, because the demands of DOM/CSS simply can't be handled by those native implementations. [...] It is very hard to get 100% right, which is why no browser does. This is not correct. In instances where CSS doesn't affect the styling of the control, the browser can use native controls. As far as I know, every browser _except_ Firefox does this. For example, elements in…

Chrome and Safari are absolutely not using the actual native control implementation. E.g. on Windows Chrome is not jamming a combobox HWND into its browser window.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by roca »

saagarjha wrote: post #169
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #138

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Huh. I wonder if that applies even to Safari on Mac and iOS, given how integrated Apple likes to be with their UI controls.

Some of them are native, if you don't style them.

That isn't true. Browsers reimplement the native look and feel (in some cases) but they do not use the actual native control implementation.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by saagarjha »

roca wrote: post #182
saagarjha wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of them are native, if you don't style them.

That isn't true. Browsers reimplement the native look and feel (in some cases) but they do not use the actual native control implementation.

Safari on macOS uses native controls. The reply button I'm about to click to submit this comment is 100% native, because Hacker News is using nothing fancy beyond . (Interestingly, Safari will outright ignore font sizes it cannot draw a native control for…)

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dan-robertson wrote: post #151
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #136

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...am I seeing the same thing as others? I'm using up-to-date Firefox, but I toggled the about:config flag to get the old address bar, figuring I may as well use it while I can. Here is what the address bar looks like for me: Focused: https://i.ibb.co/TWDw9WL/Screen-Shot-2020-05-05-at-5-30-57-P... Unfocused: https://i.ibb.co/QHd0SBm/Screen-Shot-2020-05-05-at-5-31-01-P... Do you not see the blue focus outline? It's pr…

It’s not that thick, especially if you have a big screen and a busy website in the browser window

Huh, interesting. I wonder if they could have just made the line thicker then.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by anthony_doan »

dustinmoris wrote: post #146

I love Firefox and use it as my primary browser for years but few things which annoy me: - Sending tabs between devices does not work. It sometimes arrives 12 hours!!! later - Google Cloud Console has some UI issues on Firefox - Twitter input field behaves extremely strangely when you enter an emoji and try to edit text afterwards - I don’t understand why some html elements have a different appearance and default css…

- Sending tabs between devices does not work. It sometimes arrives 12 hours!!! later

It doesn't work on my window 10 instantly but it works for osx and ios.

The work around for my window10 machine, for me at least, is to click the hamburger and click on my account name, then click sync now.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by anthony_doan »

influx wrote: post #11

Firefox made a huge mistake following in Chrome's trail with the version numbering scheme. I just don't care about Firefox 76, is it a big change? Is there some new feature I would want to try? Who knows, I'm sure Firefox 77 will be out soon though!

If they follow Ubuntu, I'd wish they name it Cinco De Mayo for this version.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by amartya916 »

joveian wrote: post #172
amartya916 wrote: post #110

Thank you to the Firefox team, this seems like a really nice release. I am very happy about the "If you don’t have a master password set up for Firefox, Windows and macOS now requires a login to your operating system account before showing your saved passwords." change. It might seem like a small change, but it's one of those friction points (another password to remember!) that will lead to (hopefully) more people us…

Personally, I don't like operating systems that train users to enter login credentials while using the system as this increases the chance of someone capturing those credentials via spoofing. I used to think Firefox trying to protect the entered passwords made some sense, but I've been convinced it isn't really such a good idea. Better would be a full profile being protected (with all files encrypted), or just rely o…

Thanks for taking the time to pen a thoughtful response. I really appreciate the point about training users to enter login credentials, how it might be risky, and also that this could lead to a false sense of security.

That being said, I do think that these features will overall lead to better password hygiene for people who do not have access to the kinds of info we have (especially where FF warns about passwords shared across sites; that's a feature that iOS does fairly well; in KeyChain, they show a warning label next to a password shared between multiple sites).

P.S. The point about securing a list of sites that you have passwords for is fantastic as well.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by guug »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #57
jhymn wrote: post #45

Whenever I start up Firefox it tells me to wait a few moments while it updates. The browser obviously doesn't care about me. It has its own agenda. This is why I won't use it.

Have you heard of "Check for updates but let me choose when to install them" option under about:preferences > Firefox Updates? I assume you did not.

To be completely fair, reading every option under about:preferences is not part of the average user's workflow.

Re: Firefox 76

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Post by neurostimulant »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #175
neurostimulant wrote: post #164

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Safari on windows were showing osx-styled default buttons, so I think safari also implement their own UI controls, not using system's ui elements.

That’s because Safari was ported to Windows by porting a large chunk of AppKit to Windows - it didn’t make direct use of Win32.

Wow this is interesting! Does that means technically we could have any OSX app compiled for windows while still retaining OSX-like appearance? Did Apple ever released this AppKit windows port for others to use? Does apple still maintaining the port for MacOS as well or did it die along with Safari for windows?
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