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Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#181

The point that the author is making, in a very understated way, is that all three companies have PR websites that breathlessly describe their advanced AI capabilities, yet they cannot understand a very simple query that young children can.

I disagree, "shirt without stripes" is an unusual word choice, not one that our ML models would be optimized for. Try "solid color shirt" and you'll see how much better the results are - at least on Google.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#182

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Generally, yes. But you can go very far and cover a lot of cases when you stick to a narrow domain and common patterns that customers of your product will typically use.

My reaction to Siri is either amazement at how well it worked or disgust in its failure on seemingly simple queries.

Siri has lots of known problems. My biggest gripes are the lack of context and lack of a "discussion" state.

But Siri is a general domain problem, which is really really hard. Siri set the expectation you can ask it anything, and it works terribly and for most questions just gives up and runs a web search.

If you are an e-commerce company though, that's a narrow enough domain, because you know that for most people, they're looking for products to buy or compare. It's not an unbounded Q&A service.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

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Because you want to sell shirts without stripes to customers who want them.

I expect most users genuinely looking for such a product would just search "plain shirt"

"Shirts without stripes" was meant to illustrate the point. The general query issue it represents cannot be solved by adding "plain".

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#185

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Every systems sucks at NLP. It is an extremely hard problem and we are nowhere near matching the human cerebral cortex.

Generally, yes. But you can go very far and cover a lot of cases when you stick to a narrow domain and common patterns that customers of your product will typically use.

Yeah the examples would probably do better if they had a front layer model determining the general topic "clothing" then shipping the query off to the clothing and fashion specific model for details.

Lots of focus on a general purpose mono-model, but I think a collection of specialized subsystems is a better representation and would produce better results, faster.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#186
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To me, the most interesting implication here is that this must not adversely affect Google's ad revenue. If it did, they would surely fix it. This, in turn, means that apparently we have been trained to interface with search engines such that this is not a problem. Sometimes I wonder how much my brain has changed to use search engines / how much of it is dedicated to effective googling. Makes me feel like a cyborg.

This is the issue I think. Amazon doesn’t care about selling a shirt without stripes, it is just as happy as selling any shirt. This assumes that AI wants truth. These three companies AI don’t necessarily want truth, they want revenue.

A customer who searches for a shirt without stripes is probably more likely to buy shirts without stripes than shirts with stripes?

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#187

The point that the author is making, in a very understated way, is that all three companies have PR websites that breathlessly describe their advanced AI capabilities, yet they cannot understand a very simple query that young children can.

“I’m sorry, Monsieur, we are all out of cream — how about with no milk?”

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#188
This is a good example of the bar HNers must have these days when they bafflingly assert that Google is somehow getting worse from what they remember.

Google has gotten better, it's just HNer expectations that have changed as they expect more and more magic.

For example, the subtitle on the repo is "Stupid AI" when this query has never worked in these search engines, and it won't anytime soon.

You'd think the technical HN crowd would be more advanced than to make the same mistakes that (they complain that) stakeholders/users/gamers make when they mistakenly think everything is much easier than it actually is. Things aren't "stupid" just because they can't yet read your mind.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#189

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Maybe you mean, "Please don't imagine a pink elephant." Imagining a non-pink elephant seems pretty easy.

Along these lines, I once heard somewhere that people do not process the word 'dont'. As a coach, I've had to shift my vocabulary to focus on the 'do's rather than the 'dont's Eg: If you're doing a sport where leaning forward is bad, avoid telling yourself 'dont lean forward' as your mind only hears 'lean forward', therefore reinforcing the thing you're trying to avoid. Alternatively, tell yourself 'lean back' or 'st…

Huh, the yoga teacher whose channel I'm subscribed to uses only "do" statements - didn't notice until you pointed that out.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#190

The point that the author is making, in a very understated way, is that all three companies have PR websites that breathlessly describe their advanced AI capabilities, yet they cannot understand a very simple query that young children can.

I disagree, "shirt without stripes" is an unusual word choice, not one that our ML models would be optimized for. Try "solid color shirt" and you'll see how much better the results are - at least on Google.

>I disagree, who says "shirt without stripes"? That's an unusual word choice, not one that our ML algorithms would be optimized for.

If your "ML algorithm" doesn't understand straightforward language, how is it any better than a couple if-then statements?

Beyond that, I'm unsure how you think " without " is at all unusual or difficult to decipher.

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