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Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I think there's an interesting conversation to be had about the psychological nature of this pandemic. The author of the article is 39 years old, I'm quite surprised by the severity of the experience that he reports. There was a similar article in the NYT recently by a woman whose husband contracted COVID, had a relatively 'normal' pneumonia, but the article read like a war report out of an Ebola zone, allusions to C…

I don't think that day-to-day danger is without personal cost, even for people who are "resilient". My experiences with living in various levels of dangerous situations[1] is that people become "politely selfish" in direct proportion to the level of risk. If you're doing okay it's not a problem, but the people at the bottom of society are the first to lose support when this happens.

In the case of the US, I think a lot of the insane response we've gotten is because of a combination of two things. First, we've not had real personal danger within our borders in most of our lifetimes. Second, media has learned that it's profitable to sell fear. The result is a bunch of manufactured fears, that aren't rationally actionable because they don't exist to begin with, and we become accustomed to reacting irrationally to fear and not looking too closely at our responses because ultimately there's no consequence to doing something ineffective in response to a danger that doesn't exist. But when a real danger like Covid 19 comes along, people don't have a rational set of coping mechanisms honed against previous real dangers, so they react to a real danger the same way they've reacted to a bunch of nonexistent, media-manufactured dangers in the past. If people post about how WiFi causes cancer[2] on Facebook and then do nothing to avoid WiFi, that's not great, but it isn't critical. But if people post about Covid19 danger on Facebook and then do nothing to avoid Covid19, at a societal level that causes the disease to spread and kill more people.

[1] I did live in Israel, although that's not what I'm talking about. I was 5-6 so I'm not sure how relevant that experience is.

[2] I'm not saying WiFi causes cancer.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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>we already have direct evidence that when it spreads without any containment it causes unacceptably extreme amounts of sickness and death That hasn't happened in Sweden.

Sweden has a population of 10.2 million and has had over 1000 deaths, very roughly 100 deaths per million population. Compare to Denmark (52 deaths per 1m) or Norway (25 deaths per 1M) and Sweden's tactics don't seem to be working that well.

It's really too early to say one way or the other because spread of the virus started a different times in different countries. Plus we have to factor in the long term excess deaths that will be caused by lockdown measures. Poverty kills (even in Scandinavia).

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Great write up on the nature of fear! It's amazing how much the mind can fight to deny the reality of the situation you're in during such episodes. The dull chest pain sticks around for a surprisingly long amount of time. I'm at day 25 now since my ER visit and just noticed that I haven't felt any of that dull pressure in at least 2 or 3 days at this point.

> The dull chest pain sticks around for a surprisingly long amount of time.

I also had tightness in my upper chest. It lasted a week, from 10-18 March. During that time, it didn't get better or worse. But it lasted long enough that I started planning for a future A&E visit...

Then all of a sudden, thankfully, the chest tightness was gone. Occasional dry coughs continued for two more weeks.

I have had asthma and bronchitis my whole life. So I am always very aware of the state of my lungs. This tightness and dry cough is different from anything I ever had before.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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When I was in high school I was deeply afraid of death and thought about it daily. Then a few times over that period I got sick. Not unusually, or deathly sick, but feeling like utter garbage and perhaps enough to wonder if there was a very remote chance that the illness could threaten my life. And everytime I wondered that I realized that I had no fear of death which struck me as really odd given that I would otherw…

It's interesting that you feared dying. I'm afraid of others I know dying, but if I were to die then I wouldn't know it, so I'm not necessarily afraid of dying (because from my perspective there's no difference between dying and going to sleep every night). I am afraid of pain or being permanently maimed however. If I were to be heavily sedated and intubated I'd be experiencing the same series of events that would happen if I were to recover from the ailment the next week. It's possible to die in my sleep but

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I'm in BC, Canada. People are talking about our lockdown going too well . The hospitals are not overwealmed like those in New York. Infections are under control, mainly contained to care homes. But you don't get to herd immunity if the virus does not spread. Vaccines are a year or more away. Holding the lockdown that long would devastate a generation. The government isn't saying it but people are deciding to head out…

You can't enter my grocery store without a face covering. I didn't see anyone strictly enforcing it, but there was a >80% compliance rate, based off what I saw.

In Germany you cannot enter most groceries stores without a shopping cart. It did not used to be that way, they made shopping carts mandatory to stop covid.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I experienced the same. I even did gym at home with good performance but i felt weird sensation on my chest. I don't want to think i had covid, but so many people had it that I am surprised i don't.

This is availability bias. Because you hear it in the news so much, whenever you have some weird pain in the body, the bias make you think "covid-19". I'm not saying you don't have it, but I'm saying your mind is making it seem much more likely than it actually is.

Fact is, that when I know when something feels unusual. And when this happened, I had no idea what the Covid symptoms are like. And at the time, I also didn't think that it was this. Only after several people in my community reported the same "symptoms" did I become suspicious.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I had wondered whether the flu our family got hit with over Christmas could have been coronavirus (had mentioned previously that my wife actually broke a rib from coughing).

But then a few weeks ago we all started to sneeze, cough, and run low grade fevers. Wife lost her sense of smell. And then a bunch of symptoms between us that I later learned are all coronavirus symptoms.

The dominant things for me was the shortness of breath, and the extreme fatigue. Like, feeling like you’ll just go “goodnight!” and collapse on the kitchen floor fatigue.

The breathing was the most disconcerting. I’d wake up in the morning thinking I was getting better, but by the afternoon I’d feel like someone was sitting on my chest. The cough never really got crazy bad for me. Where a panic attack might feel like you can’t catch your breath, this felt more like trying to breath under a swimming pool.

Caring for 3 young kids with a sick spouse has been... a test, lol. But fortunately we’re all young and healthy and things are returning to normal. As slowly as it came on. Luckily I stocked up on things just in case, but at the height of being sick it was impossible to get any grocery delivery windows. They did finally come through about a month into this process, so, feeling grateful all around.

I had what would be called a “mild” case, but it definitely sucked. Looking forward to antibody testing so we can know fo sure it’s what we had, but based on all of the symptoms, the long incubation time, etc, it seems very likely.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I'm thinking of this as a temporary hysteria. Nothing much you can do to reason with hysterical people. The only thing that sometimes works for hysteria is a good slap in the face.

It is temporary hysteria. Remember 'swine flu'? The infection fatality rate ended up being like 10x better than what the media initially reported.

Do you remember swine flu? The media storm died down as experts gathered more information and made recommendations. Note how with Covid19, the information has changed over time, but not enough to change expert recommendations, which have remained fairly consistent.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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It is temporary hysteria. Remember 'swine flu'? The infection fatality rate ended up being like 10x better than what the media initially reported.

Do you remember swine flu? The media storm died down as experts gathered more information and made recommendations. Note how with Covid19, the information has changed over time, but not enough to change expert recommendations, which have remained fairly consistent.

No it's not, the infection fatality rate keeps going down. This is just media hype and the risks are being overblown due to the many biases in human judgment (availabiltiy bias, survivorship bias, social bias, etc).

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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This is availability bias. Because you hear it in the news so much, whenever you have some weird pain in the body, the bias make you think "covid-19". I'm not saying you don't have it, but I'm saying your mind is making it seem much more likely than it actually is.

Fact is, that when I know when something feels unusual. And when this happened, I had no idea what the Covid symptoms are like. And at the time, I also didn't think that it was this. Only after several people in my community reported the same "symptoms" did I become suspicious.

And hence, the availability bias.
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