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Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hpcjoe wrote: post #116

I keep hearing stories about similar issues. Suddenly someone is terminated from a Google service for unknown reasons, without any possibility of reversing such decisions. This appears to be true of Twitter and others as well. From my vantage point, it appears to be quite arbitrary. And quite concerning in a number of cases, given the centralization of email, docs, etc. I do make backups of google content every so of…

Maybe have multiple independent google IDs for activities you want to do? So if you do YouTube videos and android apps, don’t do them on the same google ID, so an accidental account suspension in one doesn’t affect the other.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by username90 »

chii wrote: post #162
chx wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> once they start doing call centres it will just become a cost for ever more. then charge for it? Even support that only deals with account terminations would be worth $5, $10 a month to quite a few of us, I would think. You have a busy YouTube channel, ten bucks a month is not that much to ensure it doesn't go up flames accidentally.

how come the revenue google makes in advertising on those videos can't be used to cover the cost of such support? It should not cost money for a user to correct the mistake of a service provider. If the telephone company shutdown my number, i have the telecommunications onbudsman to call and get the problem fixed. Granted, youtube isn't as essential as a phone, a similar body should exist to ensure that online servic…

> It should not cost money for a user to correct the mistake of a service provider.

You aren't paying for the service though, the people who buy ads are.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by username90 »

eitland wrote: post #177
chx wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can't force them to provide a free service to you.

Not for now. My idea here is that we need to formalize this relationship and regulate it. YouTubers aren't Google employees but they are still extremely valuable to Google only in a very one sided relationship.

Youtube was net negative for a long time, it is a model which is very hard to get profitable. If they were forced to spend more likely they would just shut down the service or force you to pay fees.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by username90 »

dylan604 wrote: post #170
allendoerfer wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The federal government has 330 million users and tax revenues of about $ 3.5 trillion, while YouTube has 2 billion active users and only $ 15 billion in revenue. So $ 7.5 per user for YouTube, but $ 10600 per user for the US federal government. Edit: If you only look at the number of channels, which is only 31 million, you are at $ 483 per channel for YouTube.

But how long would it take for a human to look into an issue and apply human logic instead of the algorithm. 10 minutes? Also, what percentage of users actually need or request support? Everyone pays in, but very few use the service.

Subtract all the costs of video hosting and development etc and you are left with almost nothing.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by IX-103 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #181
hpcjoe wrote: post #116

I keep hearing stories about similar issues. Suddenly someone is terminated from a Google service for unknown reasons, without any possibility of reversing such decisions. This appears to be true of Twitter and others as well. From my vantage point, it appears to be quite arbitrary. And quite concerning in a number of cases, given the centralization of email, docs, etc. I do make backups of google content every so of…

Maybe have multiple independent google IDs for activities you want to do? So if you do YouTube videos and android apps, don’t do them on the same google ID, so an accidental account suspension in one doesn’t affect the other.

That typically doesn't work. Google antifraud detects and groups these "related" accounts, so they potentially could suspend them all at once.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by raarts »

mirimir wrote: post #168
apostacy wrote: post #151

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It used to be much harder to knock someone you didn't like offline. You used to have to organize a DDOS attack. But now, all you have to do is organize a much easier mass-flagging attack. We need to update our threat models to account for how unreliable major platforms have become. We can no longer rely on these companies. After big tech spent so much time investing in their own infrastructure, they are undermining t…

> Instead, you have to span [your content] on multiple platforms and tell your audience where to find you if you get deleted. OK, so what's the safest holdout?

Bitchute seems to be popular.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by eitland »

apostacy wrote: post #179
eitland wrote: post #175

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> The big techs cannot differentiate between legitimate de-platforming I can try to give some guidelines, I'd love to see improvements (and also like to know if anyone points out I'm wrong :-) Legitimate de-platforming is a) when an individual or organization is removed from the platform based on a request from law enforcement followed by a review by the platforms staff to verify that the request is genuine and that…

> b) when an individual or organization is removed from the platform based on an written policy, known by the users of the platform in advance and verified by a second team. Upon request an explanation of why the account was deplatformed should be made available. That alone would be great. They should have to justify exactly why they removed someone. And by making it explicit, they open a pathway for legal action. Bu…

Edit: added quotes. Added part about not wanting any social network nationalized.

> But more importantly, these platforms need to be declared public utilities and forced to be transparent. This is not controversial and is usually welcomed by the public when it happens.

Even just a real threat that it might happen might, if it became visible enough, drive some introspection and push them in right direction.

> It is time for us to nationalize Facebook.

Assuming you are from US (but mostly valid anyway): Not sure if I'd want your president, now or in 6 years, to have more say over the biggest social media networks than they already have.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by eitland »

username90 wrote: post #183
eitland wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not for now. My idea here is that we need to formalize this relationship and regulate it. YouTubers aren't Google employees but they are still extremely valuable to Google only in a very one sided relationship.

Youtube was net negative for a long time, it is a model which is very hard to get profitable. If they were forced to spend more likely they would just shut down the service or force you to pay fees.

Very good point.

But still, even if some other business lost money for years that doesn't give them a do-whatever-you-want card.

I think a lot could be done automatically to avoid a number of the dumbest automated account removals that we see here.

That should limit the workload quite a lot.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by ship_it »

geitir wrote: post #144
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #45

I liked how Google's pro-forma email didn't fill in the blank as to why they flagged the account ... but they still sent that message. Surely that's a pretty easy failure to capture, I'm surprised Google can't spot such failures.

You're talking about a company who recently stuck a big logo on the spacebar of their Android keyboard

What??? Source? (iPhone user here)
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