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Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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#181

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If the economy bounced back to what it was on Feb 28th, what is your acceptable number of dead? Would you trade 9 million unemployed for 9 million dead? Do you think that wouldn't have an effect on the market as well? We're in it now, and no amount of wanting to hit the abort button will change anything. It's a fantasy to assume people will just go back to work, the economy will get better, and everything will return…

>Would you trade 9 million unemployed for 9 million dead? No, I'm not advocating to abort a quarantine and have people return to work. >It's a fantasy to assume people will just go back to work, the economy will get better, and everything will return to normal Agreed. I'm advocating we stop believing in this fantasy and face reality that this is the start of a long term recession.

Gotcha, sorry, I read your comment as a "we all need to unpause and return to work" message, when it wasn't.

This is definitely the start of interesting times - we don't know how things are going to look at the end of all this. The best economics times have come on the tail end of adversity.

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#183

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In many places being unemployed pays more than being employed. Not sure why the downvotes. It’s literally true for the first time ever. The way the new benefits work out your unemployment check STARTS at the equivalent of $15/hr x 40hr/week = $600/wk. In California, for example, you can get up to $1,050/wk instead of the old maximum of $450/wk.

Go ahead and name them, please?

Most places. California, New York, anywhere with a decent unemployment insurance program.

If you made $15 an hour in California you were making $600/wk. On unemployment you now make $877/wk. That’s a 46% increase. It’s huge.

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Any speculations on how bad is this going to get? Should I stock up on TP, on food, or on vodka and ammo?

While many people will likely get very sick, they only stay that way for ~2-6 weeks. Further, around half of people below 50 will show minimal if any symptoms. So, while most non essential jobs are shut down we are likely to see a surplus of labor in terms of trucking etc. My guess is plenty of essential jobs will have heavy overtime while many people are unemployed. Simply because the disruptions are going to cascad…

> around half of people below 50 will show minimal if any symptoms.

I have a middle finger for you for how cold hearted you sound. As though “it’s no big deal”. My wife went through this (previously healthy 34 year old) and it was terrible. The docs just said: “there’s nothing more we can do”

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What will the employees, in the US at least, do for health insurance? A pandemic is when you need it. These employees will be strained to pay for COBRA. I fear that we will see revolutions in countries where this is not contained, from either a health or economic perspective. An old saying is that you should buy stocks when there is blood in the streets. I hope that doesn't become literal.

"These employees will be strained to pay for COBRA." That is a huge understatement. Especially for anyone that needs family coverage. The rates I paid when self-employed were more money per month than my entire paycheck until I was in my late 20's.

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#186

Unemployment benefits have been significantly expanded under the Coronavirus aid bill. The benefit amounts will sound small if you're living in an expensive city like SF or Seattle, but $600/week from the federal government and a similar amount from state unemployment insurance means that unemployment benefits can pay up to an equivalent of $50-60K/year right now. That goes a long way in most parts of the country, es…

This "economy is paused" idea is getting more and more unjustifiable by the day, weeks, and months. We're not going to emerge from this and just hit the unpause button. Yes some industries will bounce back quickly, but 9 million people over two weeks losing their jobs is an absolutely massive number, and we haven't hit peak yet. There's no way they'll just be simply rehired when this is "done".

I don't think anyone serious thinks that this is just hitting "unpause" after this. The world has changed.

This will be the news for the next 2 years. India and Africa are only just starting on this journey.

The world's economy and every nation's economic structure will be completely changed.

Re: Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

#187

For those living in cities that are locked down, what do yall do about daycare? In NYC, my daycare isn't reimbursing fees, so we're continuing to be charged with a promise of "if insurance pays out, we'll pass it down." With 2 kids, that’s $5,000. Assuming they’re closed for 3 months total, that’s $15,000 down the drain. Now, I get that they're a small business, but their problem is that they can't exactly layoff the…

I don't understand- they are not providing the service but also not reimbursing fees? That makes zero sense to me- do you pay monthly, and ahead of time?

Imagine not paying and losing access to childcare when you need it again.

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#188

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Yeah... $1,200 advanced from next years tax return nonetheless. Normative economics (how should things be allocated equitably) are frowned upon, but it’s clear that our system needs to be refactored. The fact that Bernie Sanders has only a 1% chance of winning the primaries show the severe disconnect between what we want and what we need.

I have heard people say that it was an advance but found conflicting info, can you source?

> These rebates are structured as tax credits automatically advanced to households in 2020 if you filed a 2019 income tax return and would be received as a direct deposit or check by mail.

https://lacyclay.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/congr...

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#189
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Is the title incorrect? Reading the article it says an additional 3M, for a total of six million

If I'm understanding the article correctly, the title is correct - there were 6.6M initial unemployment claims filed in the last week alone, which is about 3M more than were filed in the previous week. This would give a total of about 10M new unemployment claims over the two-week period.

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#190
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Already most Americans support Medicare for all – it’s our bought elected officials who don’t.

Biden is the candidate even of 'the righteous' . Highly doubt your statement.

Biden is primarily supported by voters over 65, who already qualify for Medicare and have no incentive to support a Medicare For All candidate. Good luck holding onto that voting cohort through an unmitigated pandemic.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-06/biden-older...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/young-democrats-have-re...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/1/20943879/i...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/politics/joe-biden-you...

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