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Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by fspeech »

_gccu wrote: post #156
mythrwy wrote: post #149

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Mask tainted with virus? Cmmon man, that is a tremendous stretch of likelihood. And would lead to action. Original poster was talking about masks not meeting some specification. And I'm pretty sure most of your stuff has been coming from China for a long time. I really am mindblown by both your, and original poster's negativity on this. The guy is almost certainly trying to help. So thanks. And I say this as someone…

I don't care about "some spec". I want to know how this product, that is coming from China, isn't already tainted with the virus itself. Your refutation to my logic is "cmmon man" ? It would lead to what action precisely? I'm not a pessimist. I'm trying to be pragmatic.

Why not spend a little time learning how long the virus can survive on any mask before making nonsense comment like this? It deserved a stronger rebuke than "cmmon man" since it's wasting everyone's time.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by _gccu »

mythrwy wrote: post #161
_gccu wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care about "some spec". I want to know how this product, that is coming from China, isn't already tainted with the virus itself. Your refutation to my logic is "cmmon man" ? It would lead to what action precisely? I'm not a pessimist. I'm trying to be pragmatic.

It's not a refutation of logic though because you didn't provide any. It's simply scoffing at your ridiculous level of suspicion. You aren't being pragmatic. There is a different term for what you are being.

I've said it repeatedly, but I'll say it again. Here's the logic for you to refute.

1. Mask / test kit made in China.

2. Presumably, it came in contact with the hands of the people making it, in China.

3. If any of those people making the masks and test kits were infected, then there's a chance that the virus itself will be actually sitting on the masks and test kits themselves.

So, we just ignore that?

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by [deleted] »

meritt wrote: post #27
jerkstate wrote: post #13

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A big point of the Presidents address today was around relaxing regulations to help the response. So hopefully this will get sorted out.

Let's not forget that retailers are making their parking lots available, Google has deployed 1,700 engineers to build a flowchart website, and the US is buying up oil reserves. I think this epidemic is pretty much solved, don't you?

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Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by davidcuddeback »

robomartin wrote: post #170
coenhyde wrote: post #154

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We're not talking about cancer tests here. We're in a pandemic. The value we would get out of 500k tests for covid-19 with a 3% error rate is far superior to 500 tests with an error rate of 1%. Give me the 500k tests please!

Again, sorry, but I have developed a low tolerance for the nonsense that going around out there with regards to COVID-19. Nobody seems interested (or able to) fire-up a spreadsheet and do some math. If you have half a million people using shit masks and shit tests we will overwhelm our medical facilities. Do you have ANY idea what's going on in Italy right now. It's so sad. Doctors are having to choose who they let d…

> Sorry, we don't need more Chinese shit. The virus was enough.

Xenophobia is not okay.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by refurb »

jessaustin wrote: post #164
robomartin wrote: post #148

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> But you can trace all of that after the fact. No, you can't. You clearly don't understand the subject. The most you might be able to do is say "Hmmm, we are getting three times more false positives". By that time you will have wasted a ton of time, overwhelmed hospitals with people who did not need to be there and no, despite your belief, there is no way (or point really) to trace it, at least nothing that is going…

Why do you believe so strongly that China can't manufacture reliable health products? Most of the health products we've been using for decades are manufactured in China! They are currently operating a fairly successful effort against this disease, and the tests in question are a part of that effort. No one in USA has done the basic work in this field. SMH.

You can't sell products in the US, that were made in China, without FDA approval.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by FpUser »

01100011 wrote: post #171
soneil wrote: post #30

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He also sent similar to Iran, Italy, Japan, South Korea, and Spain - which makes it look a little less so, at least to my eye.

I've noticed China is promoting the medical response teams they've sent to those countries on WeChat. I don't want to be so cynical that I reduce Chinese goodwill to a propaganda move, but it definitely is good PR.

If somebody helps me out of the potentially deadly hole, I do not give a flying feck about the motives. And that somebody can have all the good PR s/he wants from me as a token of appreciation.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by _gccu »

fspeech wrote: post #181
_gccu wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care about "some spec". I want to know how this product, that is coming from China, isn't already tainted with the virus itself. Your refutation to my logic is "cmmon man" ? It would lead to what action precisely? I'm not a pessimist. I'm trying to be pragmatic.

Why not spend a little time learning how long the virus can survive on any mask before making nonsense comment like this? It deserved a stronger rebuke than "cmmon man" since it's wasting everyone's time.

So if you notice, you literally defended someone's "cmmon man" argument as NOT a waste of everyone's time. How about you think about this, for a second, hmm?

Studies as of now suggest that the virus can last for 3 days on a surface. So if you ship fly them over here from China, say a half a day flight, you have a good 2.5 days to potentially accidentally infect people.

Are you going to "cmmon man" me now?

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by inferiorhuman »

cjhopman wrote: post #178
inferiorhuman wrote: post #24

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Shouldn't there be hundreds of labs with these machines though? Yes. Roche just got FDA approval on a SARS-COV-2 test that will take four (4) hours that works with two of their (whatever you call the machine) models. Per Roche there are around 110 of those machines in the United States. Bloomberg had estimated throughput numbers and also indicated that Roche has tests that work with some of their other, slower equipm…

How does Korea have 15 minute tests (from when a sample is collected) and we're excited about a 2 hour or 4 hour one? I'm not being flippant, I imagine that whatever korea is doing they've been open about it and we know how to do manufacture everything and perform those 15 minute tests, but I imagine there must be some reason that we aren't doing them.

How does Korea have 15 minute tests

They don't. The drive through stations send samples off to a lab that uses a 5–6 hour process. If memory serves, a Hong Kong company devised a 45 minute test otherwise in most places you're looking at hours not minutes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51836898

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by csnover »

_gccu wrote: post #140
hjanssen wrote: post #135

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The alternative as it seems right now is to not test at all .

I'd argue that that is better. Because if you're not tested, you know that you don't know. But if you get a false-negative (the test tells you're not infected, but you actually are), you think you're not infected, you may go about your daily life infecting other people.

You’re assuming that most people will act responsibly and not go about their daily lives infecting other people if they know that they don’t know. This goes against my personal experience of how many humans behave.

It’s equally plausible to me that someone receiving a false negative will take extra precautions in order to avoid becoming sick themselves, instead of deciding (in the absence of a test) that they are infected and so don’t need to be careful about protecting themselves any more.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by fspeech »

meowface wrote: post #123
maest wrote: post #50

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It's amazing how much impact leaving this information out has.

It's still a power move. Just a global one. I have no doubt his intention really is to save lives, but a secondary motive is surely also PR. Perhaps the Chinese state had some role in this, as well. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I could see a possible benign conspiracy like them using Jack as a proxy to distribute these. If they did it officially, it could be trusted less and the motive would seem more b…

They officially aided Italy, Iran, Iraq and others with material and medical teams.
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