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Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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I have a friend who got into hosting AirBnbs pretty early. Bought a 4 unit place in a rough part of Toronto that was still pretty close to downtown and lived in one of the units while he AirBnbed out the other three. Occasionally he'd go on a trip and AirBnb out his own unit. It was enough money for him to cover his mortgage and not have to work if he watched his spending. He's bleeding money now and it started about…

> rough part of Toronto that was still pretty close to downtown

It's like those SROs in the TL where cheap tourists are thrilled to be close to things and think it will be like a hostel. No.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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One thing I don’t see mentioned here is the out of control compensation Airbnb has had for engineers. As an engineer I love to see companies pay more, but Airbnb has been beating Facebook offers when they really don’t need to. Companies like this are not rocket science. I get that the website is just the top of the iceberg, but all those massive stock grants and base salaries are going to haunt them.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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AirBnB failed. I don't even check it out anymore when I travel because a hotel typically costs about the same due to the fees charged by the hosts. I would choose a hotel over AirBnB until the price difference is 15-20% lower in favor of AirBnB because there are too many unknowns with AirBnB and the novelty has worn off entirely. Plus since so many listings are owned by some company or person renting out multiple loc…

I use both hotels and Airbnbs a lot. Price difference I noticed really depends on the location and also changes over time. Also depends on how many people are traveling in the group and duration of stay. For example we were down in LA last month and picked a hotel for the night because the prices were about the same. However in Bangkok late last year staying at an Airbnb apartment was significantly cheaper than a hot…

That’s strange because Bangkok hotels are in general very affordable, and the comfort of a 3 star hotel should match most Airbnb’s. On the other hand, I’ve never done an Airbnb in Thailand before.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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Not sure what you mean about lying about prices.. I've booked 28 stays on 5 continents since 2014 and never been lied to. Do you mean having to click on "price breakdown" to see the service and cleaning fees? Do you mean hosts asking for cash payments for things like linens and key deposits? (These have happened to me, but it is against ToS and Airbnb took my side) My current travel plans are chaos due to cancellatio…

> Not sure what you mean about lying about prices challenge accepted: https://imgur.com/gallery/6UeavrH * I've searched for 4 nights in SF some time in May * the second result is 99$/night * bill for 4 nights end up being 561$. 150$ magically appeared. That's a 40% increase at checkout time lol. Again I love AirBnB but this is scamy.

Your screenshot says "$492 total" which includes the cleaning and service fees. The service and cleaning fees are set by the host, and can be $0.

Then it adds the California taxes on the checkout page. That is what hotels do too.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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I'll preface this by saying that AirBnb lies about its prices/night, and that really suck. Having said that, I really really don't understand the other criticisms against AirBnb here. I travel a lot, for leisure and work, and I constantly stay at AirBnbs and have been for years. Here is how it compares with hotels for me: * I usually can't remember any hotel room I've stayed at (unless it's the marina bay sands), whe…

> unless it's the marina bay sands When you open the door to your 70th floor room and the blinds automatically open to a floor-to-ceiling view of the city...yup, memorable. But I actually remember a lot of the hotels I've stayed at. It's the Sheratons and Marriotts that blur together. They're perfectly fine hotels, they're just all the same.

> and the blinds automatically open to a floor-to-ceiling view of the city

for me it was the harbor with a bunch of boats! Indeed memorable.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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> Not sure what you mean about lying about prices challenge accepted: https://imgur.com/gallery/6UeavrH * I've searched for 4 nights in SF some time in May * the second result is 99$/night * bill for 4 nights end up being 561$. 150$ magically appeared. That's a 40% increase at checkout time lol. Again I love AirBnB but this is scamy.

Your screenshot says "$492 total" which includes the cleaning and service fees. The service and cleaning fees are set by the host, and can be $0. Then it adds the California taxes on the checkout page. That is what hotels do too.

Ah, looks like they added august last year, hadn't noticed that!

It is still hidden, and not the fair price (which they could calculate).

> That is what hotels do too

Hotels who do this are scammy IMO. I've only seen this in the US.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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> unless it's the marina bay sands When you open the door to your 70th floor room and the blinds automatically open to a floor-to-ceiling view of the city...yup, memorable. But I actually remember a lot of the hotels I've stayed at. It's the Sheratons and Marriotts that blur together. They're perfectly fine hotels, they're just all the same.

> and the blinds automatically open to a floor-to-ceiling view of the city for me it was the harbor with a bunch of boats! Indeed memorable.

And a garden! For those who haven't been, it's the sort of garden where you'll see nighttime pictures as Chromebox backgrounds.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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I use both hotels and Airbnbs a lot. Price difference I noticed really depends on the location and also changes over time. Also depends on how many people are traveling in the group and duration of stay. For example we were down in LA last month and picked a hotel for the night because the prices were about the same. However in Bangkok late last year staying at an Airbnb apartment was significantly cheaper than a hot…

That’s strange because Bangkok hotels are in general very affordable, and the comfort of a 3 star hotel should match most Airbnb’s. On the other hand, I’ve never done an Airbnb in Thailand before.

I was mostly comparing against 4 star hotels in the same locations, relatively central and close to transit. They were typically around the ~$80 range. Add in taxes etc and you're looking at ~$100 per night. Airbnbs in luxury condos with some discounts (early bird, longer stay) you can get for ~$40 per night. So not quite 1/3 I guess.

EDIT: Luxury condos in Bangkok I find to be very nice. Last one I stayed at had gym, roof top infinity pool, movie theatre, library etc. And it was a few minutes to the MRT.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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One thing I don’t see mentioned here is the out of control compensation Airbnb has had for engineers. As an engineer I love to see companies pay more, but Airbnb has been beating Facebook offers when they really don’t need to. Companies like this are not rocket science. I get that the website is just the top of the iceberg, but all those massive stock grants and base salaries are going to haunt them.

Not all startups are the same, but for companies that are bottom driven and growing crazy, the skill, leadership, business sense, and amount of care needed at IC level is unfathomable for someone who works at a more traditionally managed company.

If they skimp on salary it'll be extremely difficult to attract the kind of people they need.

Re: Airbnb’s loss nearly doubles in fourth quarter, before virus

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A short term rental isn't a rental property. It's effectively a hotel.

From the perspective of "residential buildings were built to be homes", what is the effective difference?

Looking at just the physical building, not much.
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