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Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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Java, PHP, MySQL, Postgresql, OpenSSL, Linux come to mind.

Perhaps this is an effect of learning to program in the 2010s, but paying for a programming language (Java, PHP) sounds crazy to me. Do people actually do this?

Visual Studio Enterprise is expensive as hell and C# is the king of the enterprise, together with Java which runs on enterprise Oracle App servers

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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It seems to me companies should instead invest in open source alternatives. They could pay less, funding the development of open source alternatives and everyone wins. Blender is a good example of this.

Just doing the math, telling your engineers to spend $10 worth of their time every month contributing to an open source alternative is worthless. Building something reasonable is going to be a lot more expensive than what they currently spend on the software.

That's enough time to put some proof-of-concept code online ("scratch your itch"), which is how successful FLOSS projects tend to start. It would be largely self-sustaining going from there.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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If you are already spending >$200K per employee, spending another $10K to make them even 10% more productive is a bargain.

The person who convinced me to [pay for a personal license for] Jetbrains instead of torturing myself with Eclipse just passed on the questions that had convinced him to do it:

How much does it cost you for Jetbrains? How many technical books is that? Is in worth that many books a year for a decent tool?

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Java, PHP, MySQL, Postgresql, OpenSSL, Linux come to mind.

Perhaps this is an effect of learning to program in the 2010s, but paying for a programming language (Java, PHP) sounds crazy to me. Do people actually do this?

LabView is really popular in physical engineering circles and it costs over $5,000 per copy.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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So many companies try to force you onto SaaS. Products that you previously had a perpetual license for are now SaaS only if you want to upgrade. O365 is the only SaaS platform that makes sense where I work. But we have a bunch of SaaS services because that is the only way the product is offered. I hate SaaS.

That was a strategic move, if you keep on the perpetual license for Office you promote people using other services for sync-in and storage. If you move it to a service like O365 you include that as part of the subscription (online editor and cloud storage). Not doing that transition might have cost Microsoft their position in the productivity app world, as new companies started popping up that were cloud first. Plus, I believe you can still buy Office licenses but you will not get updates after some time.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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This from the article: According to a recent analysis of more than 30 million transactions, Zylo—a local firm that helps its customers track and manage software subscriptions—found enterprise companies are spending an average of more than $10,000 per employee per year on software. So, for every 100 employees, companies are spending $1 million on software subscriptions. So what would an IT department, physical plant,…

Yeah, ok, you are assuming SaaS replaces high performance in house applications... That's usually not the case. SaaS usually does not replace in house machines, and it usually does not deal with high performance applications.

Lets see:

Github SaaS - source repository, build servers, integration infrastructure.

Quickbooks SaaS - replaces DB server, DBA

Google Enterprise - replaces Web server, mail server, DNS server, chat server, and NAS devices.

Solidworks SaaS - replaces simulation resources with cloud resources.

Slack SaaS - chat servers, administration of same.

There is an IT concept, SUDs, which is short for "Servers Under Desks." That is a situation where an employee sets up a server do do something and it "lives" under their desk because they don't have an official place to put it. And then it becomes mission critical without anyone knowing and there is a big fire drill when something disrupts the flow (employee leaves, server crashes/fails, scaling requirement isn't met, Etc)

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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So many companies try to force you onto SaaS. Products that you previously had a perpetual license for are now SaaS only if you want to upgrade. O365 is the only SaaS platform that makes sense where I work. But we have a bunch of SaaS services because that is the only way the product is offered. I hate SaaS.

I personally hate rose-colored visions of the past, of which this is one that I commonly run into :)

Other things I hated:

1. yearly support contracts that were basically a necessity to purchase alongside (very expensive) enterprise software.

2. working at companies that had ancient versions of software running, and needing to dig up old matching documentation (when possible)

3. paying a large sum for a piece of software and then being "stuck" with it due to the investment being already made

4. the opaque sales processes that surrounded getting up & running with any piece of software

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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post #113

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Has Valve done anything noteworthy in the last 10 years besides milking the Steam store? Their half-baked console seemed like an attempt to do more of the former.

I know you are trying to be snarky but Valve has accomplished a hell of a lot more than most startups ever will. They are far from perfect (hell, they’re known for bugs and their famously poor timelines, and I heard their game Artifact was not good,) but it’s pretty bizarre to suggest they do nothing. Maintaining Steam alone is huge. It’s hard to find a platform with more vigorous fanboys for good reason. But that al…

Steam has a run rate in the billions! Maintaining something that strong that was built before the last decade is a significant innovation?

Most Startups are at least trying to change the status quo.

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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I have yet to encounter a manager who motivates me to get up and find a way to eat that day. Just because they are there doesn’t mean the achievements are due to them. There have been a number of attempts, tens of millions of dollars spent on one study alone, trying to quantify what technologies and people generate value. The meta-conclusion considering all the studies I know of (traveling and not looking them up), i…

Hm. Allocating credit for achievements is a tricky thing. Management is necessary to allocate resources (including labor) efficiently at scale, but it comes with overhead. As such, at smaller companies, startups, small businesses, the overhead of management can be outsized, the pain felt acutely when compared relatively to the actual output of ICs and such. At larger companies, the massive cadre of management which i…

Why does society have to optimize at scale for assigning credit to a minority? If anything the studies show value is emotionally subjective.

A healthy society takes a village. IMO there’s plenty of literal history to show isolating a minority from the demands the rest of us face is ripe for abuse at scale.

One person did not invent languages, lay down the highways and invent computers.

All the people we hold up relied not just on the historical invention to push them forward but society giving them space and not killing them. Every individual inventor is outnumbered.

IMO that space to be and do is what we should optimize for. Not a tether to tradition of emotionally wanking off a handful over what is ultimately a linguistic twist on an idea that was discovered/defined collectively

Re: Companies fret as costs soar for software subscriptions (2019)

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IRC for Slack was one that happened at a company I worked at.

There were still internal costs related to running IRC though, assuming you weren't paying some provider to do it for you... not large internal costs, but I don't think on a radically different scale from Slack considering that you could also view a Slack subscription as covering a client with a lot more features than a typical IRC setup (sure you could run a web client, bouncers, services, but that's all increasing…

Paying some provider to run a standard FLOSS service based on your needs is going to be a hell of a lot cheaper than some bespoke SaaS solution. And Matrix gives you those "rich client features" anyway, with a broad choice of client-side software - so it's a better comparison than IRC.
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