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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by josteink »

callmeal wrote: post #49
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

> Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence.

That goes both ways. I’m categorically not replacing Firefox with Chrome, and when Gmail became unbearable in Firefox I switched to something else.

Gmail is hardly a unique product, nor uniquely good in 2020, and it haven’t been for quite a few years.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by amelius »

ineedasername wrote: post #99
amelius wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms Why don't webdevs fight back and put "best viewed on Firefox" pop-ups on their pages (whenever the user is using Chrome).

If browser market share trends are comparable among webdevs & non-webdevs, a majority of webdevs are still using Chrome as their primary browser.

Perhaps Firefox should invest more heavily on developer tools then.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by lostgame »

wkey wrote: post #161
enitihas wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, even Microsoft does UA sniffing for their own products. I remember there being a post on HN about onedrive website not working in Firefox, but working with a different user agent.

What is UA sniffing mean in this context? :)

User Agent sniffing. :)

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by ArchReaper »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #144
Retric wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If developers use Firefox instead of Chrome you do get some rendering bugs in Chrome. Standard compliance have gotten much better, but at one point in my last project Edge, Safari, Chrome, and Firefox where all doing different things while I was trying to fix an odd CSS issue.

This is part of the reason I use Safari as my default browser

Why? Safari is the worst out of all of the current options as far as CSS rendering goes.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by cbhl »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #23
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

In my opinion, it's very difficult to use a Windows machine as your daily driver as a Software Engineer at Google. Windows VMs are banned by corporate policy. Getting an extra Windows laptop to test things requires a business reason and approval from a VP.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by josteink »

fizixer wrote: post #174
fergie wrote: post #38

PSA: if you are not already using it, and you care about the future of humanity, then give Firefox a(nother) go. Its actually quite good these days.

Firefox does 'gah! your tab just crashed' on my amazon tabs at a rate of about 1 in every 4 times. Once it decides to do that on a particular tab, no amount of refresh or reopen, or restart-firefox fixes it. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, and this has been happening consistently for the last 5+ years. Every. single. goshdarn. effing. firefox. release. (sorry just wanted to vent. I've tried every solution I could find on ask…

> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, and this has been happening consistently for the last 5+ years.

Might help updating to a modern version of Ubuntu with a modern kernel and modern (and less buggy) GPU drivers?

Browsers are increasingly using GPU-acceleration these days. If your GPU drivers are buggy, that can probably cause a whole lot of “fun”.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by randomdude402 »

Nannooskeeska wrote: post #150
airstrike wrote: post #111

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I had been a hardcore Chrome user since the comic book days and switched back to Firefox last year. Imported my passwords and bookmarks and the transition couldn't have been smoother. I still have Chrome installed but haven't opened it more than a handful of times since. What about your experience hasn't been great?

I can't speak to the experiences of chapium, but my issue with Firefox is that I always experience a slowdown of some sort after it's been open and in use for a few hours. I have to go into about:profiles and "restart normally" to make it go away for another few hours. I never had this problem with Chrome. I'm on my third or fourth attempt to switch to Firefox in the last year and it's still happening. I'm tempted to…

`about:restartrequired` brings you to a screen where you can just hit enter, allowing for a restart without using the mouse.

That said, I don't think I use it much more often that I had to use `chrome:restart` when I had to use chrome.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by 300bps »

lowdose wrote: post #6

Healthy check and balance Microsoft is performing. Strategically this has been a master move, not paying for the engineering costs while profiting from labor fruits. It is admirable for a company to admit the technology of the main competitor is superior and the only way forward is improving their output. Sets a great example for everybody.

I called for Microsoft to fork Chromium in their next browser over 5.5 years ago. I'm not surprised Google is worried.

My HN comment from over 5.5 years ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909383

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by greglindahl »

derekp7 wrote: post #135
Retric wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If developers use Firefox instead of Chrome you do get some rendering bugs in Chrome. Standard compliance have gotten much better, but at one point in my last project Edge, Safari, Chrome, and Firefox where all doing different things while I was trying to fix an odd CSS issue.

I had something similar, then I dug into it and found that my CSS was not specified correctly. After looking into the spec, I realized that what I thought Firefox was doing wrong, was actually the correct behavior. Chrome and Edge just covered up my mistake is all.

Yes. It's easy to end up being confused by different applications of Postel's Law.
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