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18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Check out my Dad's from 2002. He's still using it as an e-commerce site, regularly getting orders and directing customers to it. Deleted URL thanks to friendly advice

hmm you might not want people to know about your dad's e-commerce site built in 2002... EDIT: checked the website, "add to cart" sends you directly to paypal and there doesn't seem to be any account system. Still you should be careful with which communities you share this kind of information, hint: think of the H of HN

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Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

While this website still works fine, the actual HTML that Frontpage generated isn't exactly easy to maintain if Frontpage stops working for whatever reason. The author of this website is basically stuck using whatever version of Frontpage supports the markup of his website. And I bet there have been plenty of people who used who are no longer able to maintain their website because their editor no longer runs on their…

Microsoft has been fairly good at allowing older binaries to run on newer systems.

Apple is pretty annoying in this regard. There’s a lot of software that doesn’t work on versions maybe only 5 years old.

A lot of software doesn’t need to change to be honest. Microsoft word for example. Word processing: you sit down and type stuff, maybe change the font once or twice. I guess the collaborative features are nice being able to edit the same document with others.

It would be fun to use an older machine and see how productive you can be with the old software too !

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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Check out my Dad's from 2002. He's still using it as an e-commerce site, regularly getting orders and directing customers to it. Deleted URL thanks to friendly advice

hmm you might not want people to know about your dad's e-commerce site built in 2002... EDIT: checked the website, "add to cart" sends you directly to paypal and there doesn't seem to be any account system. Still you should be careful with which communities you share this kind of information, hint: think of the H of HN

Good point. Appreciate it

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

I think I should have said "don't base it on something that CAN'T last". This requires no future knowledge. We know that a WordPress version and its supported PHP will be obsolete.

I've been running a WordPress blog since early 2006 with very little maintenance. I'm sure it's all outdated again, but still appears to work.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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My website is still as of 1999, but it received some design updates (and a blog section) two years ago. However, there's still some original content, some even older than the particular website. E.g., see this 1998 demo for what we may now call a single page app, entirely rendered in JS from central data files (but using frames – well, it was the 1990s):

https://www.masswerk.at/demospace/relayWeb_en/welcome.htm

Slogan: "Microsoft keeps talking about Active Server Pages – We're offering Active Client Pages"

Mind the charts section, rendering graphs by outputting tables with tiny images using `document.write()`, since the canvas element wasn't even dreamt of. (Displaying charts was a tricky business, then. Usually these were rendered server side as GIFs, where they caused heavy load. The alternative were Java applets, which had an enormous effect on the client load and delayed page display quite considerably, while the JRE was starting up. Enter JS to the rescue…) Also, note the period design, including marquee tickers, custom fonts from GIFs, etc…

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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My personal site was posted on September 12, 1999, is still updated, and has no problems. It;s a static site that mostly uses straight HTML/CSS. There are a few scripts that generate pages, but generating HTML/CSS pretty easy. https://dwheeler.com.

Geocrasher said:

> I guess what I'm saying is that if you want to build a site to last 25 years without numerous redesigns, build a static HTML page.

Yes. I don't get paid to maintain my personal site, so simplicity and longevity are most important. If I have to rewrite things because of incompatible changes in the infrastructure components (e.g., Python2 to Python3), or because proprietary company C has decided to stop supporting product P that I depend on, then I have to spend time that doesn't actually provide any new value. Keeping things simple, and minimizing dependencies, can be useful. Like everything else, there's a trade-off.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

> Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years?

If you keep active on your Wordpress install, the regular updates will be no issue for you and will (almost) never break your website. Not sure why you would expect a regular Wordpress user to run the initial install without recommended/mandatory upgrades over a long period of time.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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These simple sites show us something profound: If you want something to last, don't base it on something that won't last. There are a some technologies that will never allow somebody to build a site and leave it unchanged for 20 or 25 years. Cold Fusion comes to mind. Almost nobody hosts it anymore for one. Can you imagine running the same WordPress version for 25 years? The version of PHP it runs on will be EOL long…

My olde PHP sites are still running just fine.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

User agents already can ignore css and have user defined stylesheets and even JavaScript. None if this is new and it's a failure of our profession that that is abnormal and produces spectacularly poor results for users.

Users should be able to override the default behaviour of their browser if they want to, but the default behaviour should still be defined by the HTML spec rather than the browser vendor. It's really frustrating when two browsers implement important parts the spec differently and push website developers to work around the behaviour one browser or the other with browser-specific code. It doesn't lead to sites being re…

Maybe the solution is to let go of this notion that every device needs to render exactly the way the designers want and embrace that difference.

I've been on the internet since the mid 90s. I'm well aware of what was, andit was that way because people then as now wanted things to look and act exactly like they wanted and not embrace that not everyone wants or needs your carefully crafted graphical design.

Re: 18-year-old personal website, built with Frontpage and still updated

#190

Here is a life-saver maintained by a 77 year young lawyer for a lot of public good: http://www.drtsolutions.com/ . Case laws against SARFAESI, an Indian law that expedites bank recovery for non-performing assets. He updates it manually in FrontPage even today!

Wow, that page is amazing!

I hadn't seen the old Google logo in years: http://www.drtsolutions.com/drtqueries.htm The search widget doesn't even use an . Just a plain .

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