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Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by ahnick »

michalf6 wrote: post #176
ahnick wrote: post #49

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I have this exact model and have attempted to use trackpoint under Ubuntu and it is just slow and I'm constantly overshooting my target. I'm so much better with the trackpad that I really wonder how people that use trackpoint swear by it. I must be missing something.

Increase the sensitivity to max and try to guide it using just light touches. It's supposed to be relaxing on the fingers, if there's any finger strain, your sensitivity is too low.

Okay, increasing the sensitivity definitely helped with the slowness, but I'm still overshooting a lot. Maybe one day I'll get there. :)

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by Aperocky »

robocat wrote: post #161
ajford wrote: post #127

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In my opinion, that's the only positive to using OSX. Wish they didn't use an old as hell version of Bash. For my Linux work, I code to Bash 4, and I've been bit a few times when my scripts won't run on my laptop due that. The need for 3rd party software (spectacles) to allow me to use hot-keys to shift windows around (native feature in Windows, Linux, and iirc even the windows manager in Sun V when I used it for a s…

I wondered why Apple use an old bash version, Google said: "The reason that Apple includes such an old version of Bash in its operating system has to do with licensing. Since version 4.0 (successor of 3.2), Bash uses the GNU General Public License v3 (GPLv3), which Apple does not (want to) support."

You can easily upgrade the bash to 4+ on mac. Just have to do it yourself.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by loeg »

vinceguidry wrote: post #169
loeg wrote: post #158

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That's a very charitable read of GP's remarks. Kudos for the generosity, but I didn't get the same impression from the statements and the context. The phrases GP is repeating aren't novel; they're repeated time and time again in any messageboard discussion that ever touches on a missing feature in FreeBSD. You could say FreeBSD is missing SATA support (just for example; it isn't really) and someone would chime in wit…

Please try to be charitable online and consider not engaging if you can't bring yourself to. Nobody can give 100% of the context needed to satisfy everyone that might be reading it. We all seem to want everybody to read our own contributions charitably but don't want to give others the same benefit. Makes interaction not fun.

> Please try to be charitable online

I do. I think you misread the comment you replied to in an uncharitable way if you arrived at the conclusion that your subsequent reply was responsive.

> Nobody can give 100% of the context needed to satisfy everyone that might be reading it.

That was never the criticism. Your response is a non sequitur.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by namirez »

emaste wrote: post #105
namirez wrote: post #6

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FreeBSD developers and people who use FreeBSD on a daily basis need laptops too. There are not many options out there unless they opt for ancient hardware.

I've got a Lenovo X1 Carbon 7th gen for FreeBSD development; there are many options besides ancient hardware. Buying a non-name $200 laptop isn't likely to result in a good experience, but if you're willing to do a little research there are many good options.

Fair enough! I meant there are not many options other than Thinkpads and some business models from Dell or HP. Even an expensive consumer grade laptop will have all sorts of driver issues.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

criddell wrote: post #19
bayindirh wrote: post #8

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> ...mainstream OSes? Look how far we've come. Linux was the alternative OS just ~15 years ago. Now it's one of the mainstream OSes . TBH, I'd like to see one of the BSDs to become one of the mainstream OSes too. :) edit: Except macOS ofc. :)

Is Android still built on Linux?

It uses a (slightly modified) Linux kernel, yes, although its user land is decidedly not GNU or particularly Unix-like.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

sien wrote: post #115
zelly wrote: post #71

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Most of them use Macs and work on FreeBSD in a VM (I'm not kidding)

It'd be really interesting to know the proportion of Linux users who are now running under a VM for their desktop Linux use. I have Linux on the three machines I use. But on each it's via a VM. I run Windows and MacOS on the machines. Where I work this is common as well. It's surely pretty prevalent. The other way a lot of people work on Linux where I work is on a VM on AWS.

I keep hearing this, and I don't understand it. Windows is just so... messy. At my last job I kept a Windows VM for Skype (S4B) and the odd non-portable app, but I wouldn't want that on bare metal.

I don't have experience with Darwin; maybe the experience is better there.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by wbl »

loeg wrote: post #158
School-Cotton wrote: post #144

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I don't think the person you responded to was claiming or implying that FreeBSD's wifi support is incomplete on purpose. Rather giving a reason for why resources have not (yet?) been expended in that area. I have FreeBSD running on my home desktop workstation and everything is working fine, but I wouldn't try to install it on my laptop. Laptop hardware is just too variable and non-standard. Touchscreens, esoteric Wi-…

That's a very charitable read of GP's remarks. Kudos for the generosity, but I didn't get the same impression from the statements and the context. The phrases GP is repeating aren't novel; they're repeated time and time again in any messageboard discussion that ever touches on a missing feature in FreeBSD. You could say FreeBSD is missing SATA support (just for example; it isn't really) and someone would chime in wit…

If suspend works and resume doesn't, I have some serious questions about the definition of works.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by bschwindHN »

protanopia wrote: post #33
revicon wrote: post #7

I also have a t480, mines running Ubuntu but unfortunately I’m giving it up for a new MacBook Air. The touchpads on the thinkpads are beyond horrible after using macs for many years, it’s finally too annoying for me to keep going :(

Try disabling the trackpad and then just use the trackpoint.

Trackpoints don't have multi-touch gestures and they feel like they accelerate the onset of RSI.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by unsatchmo »

loeg wrote: post #140
travbrack wrote: post #108

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Because running freebsd on a laptop is an edge case. Most people run it on servers. It’s not trying to be everything to everyone like Linux is.

FreeBSD dev here — I don't like this line of argument. It is always used to rationalize any defect in FreeBSD. Sometimes we just have defects! That's just the truth of things; we don't need to pretend we're defective on purpose . Many developers run FreeBSD on their daily driver laptops or workstations because it is (perhaps tautologically) one of the best platforms to develop FreeBSD on. Our wifi support isn't 100%…

I really wanted to run FreeBSD in my T470s and the lack of hardware support pushed me over to Ubuntu. I loved setting up FreeBSD and it felt snappy for a lot of stuff but it would be cool if some of the devs who do live on laptops would just release a package they tune for their particular hardware.

Re: ThinkPad T480 is my new main laptop which runs FreeBSD

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Post by loeg »

wbl wrote: post #187
loeg wrote: post #158

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That's a very charitable read of GP's remarks. Kudos for the generosity, but I didn't get the same impression from the statements and the context. The phrases GP is repeating aren't novel; they're repeated time and time again in any messageboard discussion that ever touches on a missing feature in FreeBSD. You could say FreeBSD is missing SATA support (just for example; it isn't really) and someone would chime in wit…

If suspend works and resume doesn't, I have some serious questions about the definition of works.

Ah, it's sort of a running joke. Like "the fall doesn't kill you — it's the landing."

Our resume support is hit or miss, to be completely fair. I don't even try to use it myself due to bad experiences in the early days with Linux in 2000's and lack of need. Shutdown and startup is fast enough for my travel laptop that I don't care; and my workstation I never turn off. But I recognize a lot of people do really care about suspend/resume, and it works for some people but not everyone.

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