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Re: The Yang Gang and Its Bots

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Post by KhoomeiK » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 8:19 AM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #50

KhoomeiK wrote: post #32

Kind of ironic that the candidate aiming to solve issues created by AI is being propelled forward by AI-driven bots

I think that one article doesn't prove that Yang's campaign is driven by bots. I'm a 42 year old programmer who has never voted before. I am voting for Yang because his policies are superior and the other candidates have outdated policies or worldviews. I have contributed around $400 or $500 and if there is something we are "trying to trend" I will retweet it (even though I never really used Twitter before now). By t…

I'm not for Yang nor do I hate Yang, just noting the irony of the article. Unrelated, do you speak Ithkuil?

Re: The Yang Gang and Its Bots

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Post by naveen99 » Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

speedplane wrote: post #133

naveen99 wrote: post #18

Yang supporters believe expats should also get the freedom dividend. It would be funny if yang just declares a United States of earth and distributes the freedom dividend to every human on the entire planet...

> Yang supporters believe expats should also get the freedom dividend. Well, this is what Trump believes. A solid 30% of the U.S. stock market is owned by foreigners, and so when U.S. corporations used their Trump tax break to increase their market value, 30% of that effectively gave foreigners a bump. His tax plan effectively increased taxes in expensive "blue" states and gave that money to foreign investors.

All the more reason to tax the entire planet and pay the freedom dividend to the entire planet.

The us already taxes the entire planet via the dollar / banking system. So it’s more of a relabel than a new conquest of the world.

Re: The Yang Gang and Its Bots

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Post by hadtodoit » Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:53 PM UTC

iudqnolq wrote: post #66

hadtodoit wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wasn't arguing the current interpretation of the law as much as proposing an amendment. I don't think that HN, nor the community at large does as much as say twitter or reddit to stifle opposing points of view. Relegating extremist to their own echo-chambers is a good way of proliferating their beliefs. Were their ideas exposed to the world where they would have to defend them, they may be dissuaded from holding s…

> He wasn't arguing the current interpretation of the law as much as proposing an amendment I wanted to point out it would require radical changes to our current laws and maybe the Constitution. I wasn't sure if he was aware of that. (Stronger versions of this argument, including ones deployed by members of Congress, have said it described current law) > Were their ideas exposed to the world where they would have to…

With regards to the paper you posted, I don't think it does enough to escape the fallacy of correlation/causation. It stands to reason that a news event implicating refugees for a crime will attract anti-refugee sentiment, likewise why would such sentiment spread to unrelated news posts? Facebook has already been caught prioritizing controversial content in user news feeds to increase interaction. Facebook will quickly learn a user that displays such views interacts more with said content, and display more.

Re: The Yang Gang and Its Bots

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Post by bostonvaulter2 » Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 5:23 PM UTC

gremlinsinc wrote: post #128

coenhyde wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's unfortunate. Yang himself isn't very dogmatic / ideological. But his supporters are very passionate about his candidacy. So i can see your bad experiences happening. I support Yang; not sure if i would call myself Yang Gang... For me personally, Yang is the first political candidate who sees and reasons about the world in a similar way to myself. He's a systems thinker. Everything in society is connected and t…

I've seen so many ...."Bernie's people are horrible" posts on the Yang subreddit which has turned me off the yang gang. Yang is still my 2nd though, because unlike Yang Gang folks, I don't base my support on the followers of a candidate cause that's just lunacy. I've chimed in on a few to set the record A. we're not all that bad. B. You can't blame us for what gets banned by mods of a reddit when they use bots to do…

> I've seen so many ...."Bernie's people are horrible" posts on the Yang subreddit which has turned me off the yang gang.

Do please remember that the subreddit is not a full expression of Yang's support, as in it is biased towards people who are active on Reddit. The number of anti-bernie posts on there are indeed very annoying, and the quality has indeed gone downhill as the number of subscribers has increased (which is a very common, often repeated pattern, e.g. eternal september)

> C. Many of us would support Yang if he were on top or higher than Bernie in polls. But we want a chance at winning, and Bernie has a strong grassroots.

This is exactly why we need Ranked Choice Voting (or another similar non-FPTP system like Approval Voting), so you can actually vote your true preference. An alternative voting system is a concept that I've personally supported for many years and is one of Andrew Yang's policies: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/rankedchoice/ which is one of the reason's that I support him.