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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by kinleyd »

theboywho wrote: post #178
kinleyd wrote: post #176

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Well, we don't really know what happens after we die. And a little bit of symbolism is a nice touch that also helps those left behind.

We kinda know that memory lies in the brain and that the brain gets rotten after you die. Symbolism is nice but it can’t replace actually meaningful moments.

True, the body and the brain both rot and die. However, whether there is something beyond that that lives on, or not, is something that we are truly qualified to comment on only after we die, however scientific one may try to be.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by chispamed »

JshWright wrote: post #164
chispamed wrote: post #42

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Last year med student here, sudden cardiac arrest commonly occur in young people. Apart from infectious myocarditis which you might notice as fatigue and reduced performance after you’ve suffered a respiratory infection, hypertrophic myocardiopathy and especially hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy is often hereditary and can be mortal without showing prior symptoms. That’s why after a patient’s death you usually…

> Last year med student here, sudden cardiac arrest commonly occur in young people. I think you mean that in the population of people who experience Sudden Cardiac Arrest/Death, many of them are young people. SCD is definitely not "common".

Yes, sorry, should have clarified that. Although generally speaking HCM/HOCM is not a rare disease either and definitely not a negligible cause of non-traumatic mortality cause in younger people.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by pfarrell »

I had never heard this of this guy before, but looks like I’ll be digging into his catalog. Some really incredible stuff. I read Townes Van Zandt (a great songwriter, himself) considered Mr. Olney among the greatest music writers who’ve ever lived [0]. On the level of Bob Dylan. Some high praise, indeed.

His passing reminds me of Dick Shawn [1] who, similarly, died on stage. Because he was a comedian known for outrageous irony and meta jokes, people actually thought it was part of his act. You may remember him as Lorenzo Saint DuBois (aka LSD, or Hitler) in Mel Brook’s original The Producers.

[0] https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/legendary-songwriter-davi...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Shawn

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by justforyou »

theboywho wrote: post #178
kinleyd wrote: post #176

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Well, we don't really know what happens after we die. And a little bit of symbolism is a nice touch that also helps those left behind.

We kinda know that memory lies in the brain and that the brain gets rotten after you die. Symbolism is nice but it can’t replace actually meaningful moments.

This is sloppy philosphy. Symbolism is clearly defined, but "actual meaningful moments" is a culturally subjective term without actual meaning.

Furthermore, symbols are largely how our species interprets and experiences reality.

Symbols provide meaning. Without them, moments are mere streams of phenomenon.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by ptaipale »

rusk wrote: post #116
qwerty456127 wrote: post #113

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> "Sudden Cardiac Arrest": "In over half of the cases, however, sudden cardiac arrest occurs without prior symptoms." Like, the pump just stops. You'd feel faint and then be unconscious. What a wonderful way to die. No sickness, no disability, no pain. Just turn off when the time comes. I wish everybody could die this way. Not too early preferably.

Speaking as somebody who lost a loved one this way ... it's very hard on the family. I often wonder about my father's last moments ... did he know what was happening? Did he have any regrets, or any last things he wanted to say to people? For us as a family it was like a bomb going off, and we spent many many years cleaning up the debris, and in some ways nearly two decades later we still are. There are plenty worse…

I still don't think it's worse than a slow, painful death (e.g. some types of cancer). One that occasionally gives you hope, and then plunges the patient into yet another deeper chasm, until there is one from which there is no return.

In my country, the majority religion is Lutheran, and the church has a liturgic prayer which includes a line like "save us from the wicked sudden death", with the idea that people should be able to say goodbyes to their loved ones, arrange their lives and possessions and get their last rites before death; I think that is somewhat outdated by the availability of modern social security (like, a father/mother who dies does not need to agree about who cares for his/her children so that they don't starve). And it looks like deaths are slower than before (people live older, but still, the last years are long and may not be so good).

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by nodesocket »

prostheticvamp wrote: post #165
rusk wrote: post #116

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Speaking as somebody who lost a loved one this way ... it's very hard on the family. I often wonder about my father's last moments ... did he know what was happening? Did he have any regrets, or any last things he wanted to say to people? For us as a family it was like a bomb going off, and we spent many many years cleaning up the debris, and in some ways nearly two decades later we still are. There are plenty worse…

For what it’s worth: I lived through just such a thing. It was a wonderful experience - head went light, everything suddenly breezy and far away, too fluffy to cogitate on anything. If my sister hadn’t been there I would have for sure passed, because I certainly wasn’t calling for help. I imagined for a long time afterwards that that’s probably what heroin feels like, and why it’s so addictive. I was a little wrecked…

Wow, that is an amazing experience. Did it change your perspective on religion at all?

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by wayoutthere »

gambiting wrote: post #157
rusk wrote: post #116

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Speaking as somebody who lost a loved one this way ... it's very hard on the family. I often wonder about my father's last moments ... did he know what was happening? Did he have any regrets, or any last things he wanted to say to people? For us as a family it was like a bomb going off, and we spent many many years cleaning up the debris, and in some ways nearly two decades later we still are. There are plenty worse…

My condolences. If I can just add two cents through - my father spent the last few months of his life dying from cancer, with the final week being nothing but a morphine-induced coma, with his entire body slowly shutting down, him only waking up every now and then to beg for some water(Which he couldn't drink anyway). It was the most horrendous experience I can imagine anyone going through, both for himself and for u…

From what I've heard, it's relatively common in hospice care for people to ask to be "helped along" on their way out. All it takes is a little Xanax on top of a lot of morphine; and honestly it sounds like a pretty peaceful way to speed up the inevitable.

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Post by wayoutthere »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #125
fyfy18 wrote: post #123

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The death of any loved one is hard on any family, but IMO a quick, relatively painless, death is definately easier. My mother-in-law died from cancer a few years ago, and after many months of pain and constantly in and out of hospitals, when she was finally lying on her deathbed unconcious as her body began to give up, my wife was tasked with making the decision of whether doctors would administer a lethal morphine d…

Very sad to read that. Yet, by the way, why do they always use lethal doses of morphine for euthanasia? I.e. I would strongly prefer a lethal dose of 5-MeO-DMT (which feels like spiritual ascension and dissolution in pure light, union with the universe and non-duality, and then you just forget to breathe in case of a lethal dose) for myself.

I would assume it's because a lot of morphine plus a benzodiazepine is basically passing away in your sleep.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by pfdietz »

brenden2 wrote: post #179
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When you die you no longer remember (if you do then you're not dead), so it doesn't really matter. What matters is a life full of meaningful moments, not symbolic ones.

One could argue that you live on forever in memories and historical accounts.

Those don't live forever either.
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