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Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by mnky9800n »

malux85 wrote: post #167
coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

No, your conclusion is bullshit. > First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depression for a month or two. You swear that when you come back things will be different, but then you have to answer slack messages at 9pm, and your project is slipping…

Also, drugs only work in combination with talk therapy. It's amazing how many people argue for everything under the sun except talk therapy.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by ailideex »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

I have done a buttload of LSD, not so much shrooms but also some.

- I never thought it would cure my depression, but then again I have never seen my depression as something to be cured. It has helped me understand that my depression is a reasonable consequence of how I live my life and it also made me understand what choices I would have to make to change it.

- It never made me feel like my life is full of meaning - it actually showed me how the lack of meaning in my life is related to my depression. It also helped me understand the complexity of meaning and made it clear to me what would be needed to have a meaningful life.

- Psychedelics has not made me worse at my job, it has not caused me to spiral, it has not driven me to other drugs.

The experiences I have never once made me want to grow my hair, nor go to festivals, nor talk of energy and chi and chakras - and in general I avoid taking it with or close to other people. I don't now how you got to that at all really but I think it was bad influences in your life more than the psychedelics.

If anything my psychedelic journey has made me maybe more conservative than I used to be and I am less likely to believe in any kind of woo like chi and chakras than I was before I took it.

I would not really recommend anybody take LSD or psychedelics - but I think it have had a very positive influence on my life and if anything I regret not taking it more often.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by KennyCason »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

I think I understand your sentiment when applied to a subset of people. Specifically people who’s lives may be a mess and they are leaning too heavily too drugs to change their lives. I don’t think psychedelics alone should be used for that. I feel that people (yourself as well) are being far too focused on psychedelics usage for healing/treatment. There is another aspect to psychedelics where you literally experience something transcendental. that experience alone can be humbling, terrifying, amazing, or any other range of feelings. It can certainly be learning. Something that you perhaps can’t even put into words. And even many of the experiences that you are be able to somehow find words or metaphors to describe, the new perspective(s) can be interesting at worst case. They can show you knew ways to think of problems or even serve as new creative ideas for art, and of course cause you to make various changes to improve your life. I could probably easily name 100+ interesting thoughts that psychedelics have showed me and I certainly haven’t dabbled anywhere close to 100 times and don’t really feel the need to.

There is also of course also doing them for the pure enjoyment of them. For example, I’d wager many people would prefer a psychedelic experience over being drunk. Much in the same way that people may prefer marijuana over alcohol.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by KennyCason »

karpodiem wrote: post #178
coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

Take the red pill - go to the gym and get jacked. It will solve many of your problems.

Do both! But I will certainly always advocate for increasing physical health. It has an absolutely amazing ability to increase your own happiness and mood. I can confirm with myself as a single anecdote. :)

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by zer0tonin »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

I don't think everyone who has taken shrooms/psychedelics is taking them to alleviate depression. I mean not everyone has depression in the first place and I'm pretty sure non-depressed people would still feel the effects.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by e4325f »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

What on earth are you going on about

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

coffeemug wrote: post #130

Counter-anecdote: I've experimented with this stuff extensively in various settings and have known many other people who did, and in my experience it's unequivocally bullshit. Here's what happens. First, any given trip alleviates depression for about a month or two. That makes sense to me in a sense that the word "trip" isn't a coincidence-- a really fun intense vacation in a foreign country also alleviates depressio…

What exactly do you expect was going to happen? The entire point is to identify the issues so you can take action. You seem to know what the issues are already. Also, there's a good chance your wife is already cheating on you. Maybe those late slack messages have something to do with it.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by KennyCason »

heavyset_go wrote: post #92
derefr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with everything you said, but you didn't say anything that relates to medical benefits of THC for any specific use-cases. Certainly CBD+THC has synergistic effects—it gets you more high —but does it relieve more pain , or fight more nausea ? Because those are the criteria the treatment is being graded on here. I'm not skeptical that THC does anything; it certainly does. What I'm skeptical of, is whether marij…

> I agree with everything you said, but you didn't say anything that relates to medical benefits of THC for any specific use-cases. I did, though I wasn't explicit. CBD has no discernible effect on CB1 receptors, and produces no anti-emetic effect. THC's CB1 agonism is directly responsible for its strong anti-emetic effect. CB1 agonism also has effects on pain perception and processes in the gut. CBD has no discernib…

I’m curious of your thoughts of marijuana outside of medical value? I notice many people seem to only focus on the medical benefits and not the recreational benefits. Or the creativity and new spark or insight that marijuana or other psychedelics can provide. To me they all seem to be valuable tools to both the healthy and unhealthy mind. (I’m not assuming that you are against recreational use btw!)

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by KennyCason »

tnecniv wrote: post #118
scarejunba wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're a party drug for sure. LSD is great for festivals, and though I've never done shrooms, I know my friends have gone to shows on them. In fact, I'd say LSD is used more as a party drug than it is used for anything else.

I don't know about that. All my psychonaut friends would rather lay out in a field in the sun than hit the club on a trip. Festivals are different though.

It also certainly depends on dose. I know after my first experiences my initial thought was that there was no why in hell I’d try that at a festival, but then I saw so many people/friends doing it and decided to give it a try. Was definitely mind blowing.

Re: Psilocybin found safe for consumption in largest ever controlled study

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Post by KennyCason »

say_it_as_it_is wrote: post #96
sawyerjhood wrote: post #2

I'm personally excited to see what sorts of new treatments will come out of using psychedelics medically. I've always been on the skeptical side of medical marijuana usage in all but the most extreme cases, but I have a feeling that LSD and psilocybin can really provide mental turning points and help people break out of depression.

Sativa-dominant strains have psychedelic qualities, offering dramatic introspective, frame-shifting experience. It isn't as profound an experience as one from psilocybin, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I've experienced realizations while under the influence of sativa dominant strains similar to, if not greater than, those uncovered during therapy with a psychologist. However, other times the re-framing of re…

Agree with this 100%. I’ve practically quit drinking and replaced it with a casual, infrequent smoke/edible. I find it far more enjoyable and far more learning. It’s also nice to not take in 1000+ calories. :)
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