Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

onezero.medium.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

181–187 of 187 posts

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#181

Post by Traster »

saluki wrote: post #16

I currently subscribe to all three of these and Amazon Prime, and it's less than 1/6 of what I paid for directTV before cutting the cord 9 years ago, and I don't even always keep my subscriptions active all year. I like this way better, and there can be lots of winners. No way one streaming service can provide and create everything. Plus that's not good either, choice is better.

The problem is that you're not comparing like for like. All these services are in growth phase now, they're pricing their services to compete. The problem is that once they've all topped out and growth isn't happening anymore the way they'll continue revenue growth is by slowly increasing the cost per customer. So yeah, right now it's cheaper, but in 10 years time you're going to be exactly back where we were. Right now you're benefitting from a bunch of venture capital, but don't think that the position you're in right now is going to last.

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#182

Post by ollie87 »

alistairSH wrote: post #118
ollie87 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I've got subscriptions to multiple services now (Amazon, Disney, Netflix, and I have a satellite TV subscription too). I used to run a very slick seedbox that would auto download all the stuff I wanted and then stream it with Plex, I had accounts with all the top private trackers. It's getting to the point now where I'm sick of paying so much money and the idea of that seedbox is far more appealing. It's not ju…

AppleTV (the device, not the service) does a decent job of searching across streaming services with a single remote. Currently, I use Amazon Prime Video, Netflix, and periodically subscribe to HBO Now for a month or two to catch up (then cancel for 10 months). Edit: As noted below, The Force Awakens is on Disney+ now. You can rent it on iTunes.

Disney+ isn't in the market where I live. It's called Disney Life and it's utter crap.

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#183

Post by ollie87 »

heartbreak wrote: post #116
ollie87 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I've got subscriptions to multiple services now (Amazon, Disney, Netflix, and I have a satellite TV subscription too). I used to run a very slick seedbox that would auto download all the stuff I wanted and then stream it with Plex, I had accounts with all the top private trackers. It's getting to the point now where I'm sick of paying so much money and the idea of that seedbox is far more appealing. It's not ju…

The Force Awakens is on Disney+, for what it’s worth. All of Disney’s released content is either on D+ or running out a contract on Netflix.

Disney+ doesn't launch until next year in my market. We are stuck with Disney Life which is utter crap.

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#184

Post by alistairSH »

ollie87 wrote: post #182
alistairSH wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AppleTV (the device, not the service) does a decent job of searching across streaming services with a single remote. Currently, I use Amazon Prime Video, Netflix, and periodically subscribe to HBO Now for a month or two to catch up (then cancel for 10 months). Edit: As noted below, The Force Awakens is on Disney+ now. You can rent it on iTunes.

Disney+ isn't in the market where I live. It's called Disney Life and it's utter crap.

That's one problem I wish the content companies (production and distribution) would fix. I hate having most streaming options in the US, but having different options when I travel. Weird things like books I bought for Kindle won't download in the UK because they were purchased in the US store. So annoying.

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#185

Post by Goladus »

scarface74 wrote: post #154
Goladus wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, a point irrelevant to any part of the actual discussion.

I said. You’ve never been able to buy commercial video without copy protection. Even in the VHS days you had Macrovision. That statement is factually correct. The reply: Not true. Perhaps you meant to say that copy protection has existed for a long time. But plenty of commercial video has been available without copy protection. Which is factually incorrect. The reply: I copied in the 2000s using whatever generic DVD…

It's definitely factually incorrect that all VHS tapes had macrovision. I know we did not have any kind of stablilizer or special copy machinery used to duplicate VHS tapes.

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#186

Post by Goladus »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #155
Goladus wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is no “should be” price, other than the price a seller is willing to sell at and a buyer is willing to buy at. That's true in most markets, but also totally irrelevant to the point. If a seller has no idea what the market will pay for something, and so just slaps on an absurdly high price because they don't actually care about this secondary (a la carte) market at all, that's almost the same as not offering t…

The sellers in this discussion are multinational organizations with very well educated people working with access to tons of data. I'm sure that for their own compensation's sake, they are busy figuring out how to extract as much value from their content as possible, which means figuring out how to get as many people to pay as much as they can for it. They've offered the very show we're talking about, GoT, for $15 pe…

> The sellers in this discussion are multinational organizations with very well educated people working with access to tons of data.

And also likely with layers of bureaucracy, internal and external politics, complex business relationships, and other avenues for dysfunction.

> They've offered the very show we're talking about, GoT, for $15 per month

Sorry I'm not trying to be offensive here but you are losing track of the discussion. My entire argument is that many distribution companies evidently do not care enough about offering a la carte consumption alternative to make the effort to price it reasonably, although the situation is improving as companies get their act together and actually decide to act on the market data they have. (Game of Thrones for example is now $25-$30 per season on Amazon Streaming).

As such, the fact that anything might be available for a subscription at a reasonable market price is not relevant.

Re: It’s not a zero-sum game for Apple TV+, Netflix, and Disney+

#187

Post by fjabre »

alistairSH wrote: post #184
ollie87 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney+ isn't in the market where I live. It's called Disney Life and it's utter crap.

That's one problem I wish the content companies (production and distribution) would fix. I hate having most streaming options in the US, but having different options when I travel. Weird things like books I bought for Kindle won't download in the UK because they were purchased in the US store. So annoying.

We have lawyers and industry execs to thank for that. They want to squeeze every less penny out of their content across the globe forever. It's ridiculous.
Post reply on HN