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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by 762236 »

duxup wrote: post #134
k1m wrote: post #35

Worth mentioning that Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange and described his treatment as psychological torture: > “It was obvious that Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years,” the expert said. “Most importantly, in addition to physical ailments, Mr. Assange showed all symptoms typical for…

I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

He is currently held in solitary confinement, with 1 hour outside his cell per day. That is torture.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by pmyteh »

olalonde wrote: post #63
Aser wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's served that time already. He's now being held awaiting extradition to the US.

> The 48-year-old Australian was evicted in April and sentenced to 50 weeks in jail for breaching his bail conditions. Still a couple of months to go (April + 50 weeks = ~March).

In England, you get (essentially automatic) early release at the half way point. He's now held on remand for the extradition proceedings: didn't ask for bail, and essentially no chance of him being granted it given what happened last time he was bailed...

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by duxup »

henryaj wrote: post #166
duxup wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

He’s being held in a maximum-security prison in solitary confinement. That is torture.

The report / article seem to be about his time before that.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by ekianjo »

duxup wrote: post #134
k1m wrote: post #35

Worth mentioning that Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange and described his treatment as psychological torture: > “It was obvious that Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years,” the expert said. “Most importantly, in addition to physical ailments, Mr. Assange showed all symptoms typical for…

I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

> prosecution in a free country

The free country responsible for the Guantanamo secret prison? We are talking about the same one?

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Post by leftyted »

seamyb88 wrote: post #126
leftyted wrote: post #54

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I do think it's likely that, assault or not, Assange behaved in an unaceptable way toward these women. He has often been quoted mentioning that he has children all over the world with various women. Surreptitiously removing a condom would be in character. If true, his attitude reminds me of Jeff Epstein's plan to "seed the human race with his DNA" by impregnanting a bunch of women on a ranch he owned. These people se…

It would not matter one fuck were he a murdering, misogynist, insert horrible personality types here. The discussion is not about his personal attractiveness, but a selection of a few of his actions relating to wikileaks. You know nothing about him raping, I know nothing about him raping, but we all know the US government murdered people, covered it up and all we're stuck here talking about is raping. This isn't Rich…

Did you make it to the end of my post?

> You can still think Assange is right (or at least important), but he's a deeply flawed person and it's not all propaganda.

Anyway, I agree with you that the release of the "collateral murder" video was a good thing. But I strongly disagree with the idea that I "shouldn't have an opinion about certain things that are beyond my purview" or whatever you're saying.

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Post by behringer »

criley2 wrote: post #21
ceejayoz wrote: post #19

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Assange isn't a great example of someone escaping justice (or "the arm of the law", if you'd prefer). He spent years in a prison-like environment, and is now in prison for skipping out on bail - he's been in jail-like conditions far longer than the original crime would've incurred. He's likely to wind up in US hands later on, too.

1. His self-imposed sequester was not in prison and had NOTHING to do with justice or serving time. He willingly chose his location and is allowed to leave it at any moment. Can you say that of any prisoner? He had free access to internet and visitors and many many luxuries rightfully denied to criminals serving time 2. Even if you think his "self-imposed punishment" was bad, it categorically by definition is not jus…

If Julian makes it to the US he'll be executed just like Epstein.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by duxup »

andy_ppp wrote: post #163
duxup wrote: post #134

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I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

What makes you think making up charges and constantly threatening to destroy you are not extremely stressful. He has a family too that he's been unable to see properly for a long while. Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? Clearly, facing deportation to the US is problematic for a number of reasons, mostly that it's impossible for even Snowden to get a fair trial there, let alone…

"are not extremely stressful."

That's not torture.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by kpU8efre7r »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #178
Bostonian wrote: post #160

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Chelsea Manning was sentenced to 35 years, but her sentence was commuted by Obama in part because she was transgender. She deserves to be in prison. https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sent... President Barack Obama on Tuesday overruled his secretary of defense to commute the sentence of former Army soldier Chelsea Manning, who was convicted of stealing and disseminating 750,000 pages of documents…

Whistleblowers do not deserve to be in prison. Exposing war crimes is good.

Manning should have used whistleblower channels then. They did not because Manning is not a whistleblower.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by authoritarian »

lucozade wrote: post #173
authoritarian wrote: post #141

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Please don't. Assange jumped bail after a multi stage judicial process on charges of rape and sexual molestation. Ms Frank was hiding to avoid genocidal extermination by an occupying force during war. They're not equivalent.

I didn't say they were equivalent. OP said that there's rule of law, and that if you are hiding from the police you can't claim that having to hide is an act of torture, which is obviously not always the case

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Post by duxup »

ekianjo wrote: post #184
duxup wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.

> prosecution in a free country The free country responsible for the Guantanamo secret prison? We are talking about the same one?

We're talking about the same country(s).

I still consider the US, Sweeden, and the UK "free countries".

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