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Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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It seems to me that the case is exactly the opposite: the talent appears randomly, so the only way to concentrate it is migration.

> the talent appears randomly That's a pretty strong statement, but even if we take it as an axiom, I think that it isn't migration that concentrates it -- people migrate from everywhere to everywhere all the time. I think it has more to do with having gone through some hardship, and (selection bias) having done so successfully, makes people better at taking risks. There's a statistic that says that a huge number (te…

I think you missed the point- he meant that the fact that you were able to immigrate probably means that you're not the average person. He's right- immigration is much easier if you're rich, smart or both.

Also, I'm offended by your last sentence. You've obviously not immigrated to america recently. I have, and it wasn't easy, nor was it cheap.

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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When YC takes developers and mentors them towards a first version in an aggressive timeframe with limited resources, it's encouraging innovation. When someone comes in and gives a bunch of company they know nothing about $150k each, it's called having more money than sense.

But they aren't investing in companies they know nothing about. They're investing in companies that have made it through the YC sieve. If nothing else, they know that about them. These are investors with a large number of connections in the silicon valley world. My assumption is that they have some extremely well-informed spreadsheets about past YC company performance.

I do have huge respect to YC personnel and companies, but not sure performance so far is at a level that makes it a sure investment. Even so, YC's model is small fiscal investments and large time/mentoring investment. I doubt that the opposite would work as well.

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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Holy shit. The word "disruptive" is overused but it's pretty applicable here. Crazy. But is this fair to other angels/investors?

A lot of people will hate this, but it's neither unfair nor immoral. There's nothing stopping anyone else from making similar deals, including you. What it does do is turn YC into a market index. Interesting.

> There's nothing stopping anyone else from making similar deals, including you.

SEC Accredited Investor Status.

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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On the surface, YCombinator IS giving a shitty deal. 6% for a few thousand dollars? That's highway robbery. Except, of course, you're getting a lot more than money for your 6%. The difference is that YCombinator's promise are much less empty than that of a record labels. (I know, I deflected. Milner's terms are not shitty. It's YCombinator's that are, but only on the surface).

When I first got into Y Combinator, our company with two founders straight out of college with no prior software engineering or startup experience and a prototype calendar demo was valued at 300k. We were ecstatic. That was the best deal I've ever been offered in my life.

I don't think I've ever heard the Kiko backstory (before justin.tv), and I hope you guys tell it sometime.

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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DST is a money laundering operation. Yuri Milner is a criminal. I can't believe Paul Graham deals with these guys. He should understand that Russia is outside of his circle of competence. His smarts are not enough to make the judgement. Russia gets roughly $90B annually for oil and gas. Most of the money gets stolen one way or the other and ends up in the funds like DST. Dealing

This makes sense. If the money is stolen, why would one care about any cap or discount?

Looks like PG got fucked. Now, YC companies are Milner's bitches. And what a cheap brothel it is, only $6M.

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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DST is a money laundering operation. Yuri Milner is a criminal. I can't believe Paul Graham deals with these guys. He should understand that Russia is outside of his circle of competence. His smarts are not enough to make the judgement. Russia gets roughly $90B annually for oil and gas. Most of the money gets stolen one way or the other and ends up in the funds like DST. Dealing

Ternovskiy had told no one he was taking the Sunday-afternoon flight out of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport. But when he arrived in New York he found a car from Digital Sky Technologies, the Russian company, waiting for him at the airport. From the driver, he learned that an associate of Yuri Milner was already on his way to New York to talk to him. Back in Moscow, Milner repeatedly called Vladimir, a contemporary of h…

More here:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4346...

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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DST is a money laundering operation. Yuri Milner is a criminal. I can't believe Paul Graham deals with these guys. He should understand that Russia is outside of his circle of competence. His smarts are not enough to make the judgement. Russia gets roughly $90B annually for oil and gas. Most of the money gets stolen one way or the other and ends up in the funds like DST. Dealing

source?

Good general overview of Milner and Usmanov:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/4346...

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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post #116

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Possibly a sign of different upbringings? Can be parental, culture, education, standard of living, etc.

It seems to me that the case is exactly the opposite: the talent appears randomly, so the only way to concentrate it is migration.

As an ex-immigrant (returned to India now to start something), I believe this is true. US immigration policy weeds out the chaff. The immigrant populations from countries like India tend to also be homogeneously upper class/caste.

Re: Yuri Milner, SV Angel Offer Every New Y Combinator Startup $150k

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that the case is exactly the opposite: the talent appears randomly, so the only way to concentrate it is migration.

> the talent appears randomly That's a pretty strong statement, but even if we take it as an axiom, I think that it isn't migration that concentrates it -- people migrate from everywhere to everywhere all the time. I think it has more to do with having gone through some hardship, and (selection bias) having done so successfully, makes people better at taking risks. There's a statistic that says that a huge number (te…

I meant that it appears to be random (or even anti-intuitively correlated) if you look at one factor only: I believe you need both genetics and environment.

The anti-intuitive thing is what others have said: migrants are bolder (entrepeneurish) or they have some requested talent.

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