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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by petemill »

thefreeman wrote: post #165
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

doesn't Brave have to track your browsing history in order to accurately award sites "you visit the most"? Isn't that exactly the issue a lot of people have with ads in the first place?

The decisions are all done locally by your browser on your computer.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by aloisdg »

octocop wrote: post #23
aloisdg wrote: post #12

I am all for fighting capitalism, but I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking. They are pollution, poison, for the mind. I dont want to face any form of manipulation. Beside, Brave is chromium based. If you want to fight the chrome monopoly, go somewhere else. I could be fine with a fork of Firefox with a preinstall uBlockOrigin, Privacy Possum, facebook container, etc.

If not Ads, how would a 'free service' generate money?

Donation, premium support, hosting, specific feature, etc.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by aloisdg »

Vaslo wrote: post #91
aloisdg wrote: post #12

I am all for fighting capitalism, but I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking. They are pollution, poison, for the mind. I dont want to face any form of manipulation. Beside, Brave is chromium based. If you want to fight the chrome monopoly, go somewhere else. I could be fine with a fork of Firefox with a preinstall uBlockOrigin, Privacy Possum, facebook container, etc.

Your first comment doesn’t make sense or maybe I am misreading. Do you mean you are fighting for capitalism or fighting against it? You are implying you are against capitalism by banning advertising which is a very capitalist thing. I’m confused

I am against capitalism. Sorry if it is not clear. English is not my mother-tongue. I am listening for any input about my writing btw. :)

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by carlosdp »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

I thought so at first, but they're so infrequent, it's really not a big deal. Mac OS bothers me about app store updates more often than I get ads. Plus, you get paid for the ads being delivered in BAT, which you can then contribute to sites (or trade on a crypto exchange).

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by bsclifton »

thefreeman wrote: post #165
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

doesn't Brave have to track your browsing history in order to accurately award sites "you visit the most"? Isn't that exactly the issue a lot of people have with ads in the first place?

All the data about you (history, etc) is on your computer (and not shared in any way) :)

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by aloisdg »

topspin wrote: post #121
aloisdg wrote: post #12

I am all for fighting capitalism, but I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking. They are pollution, poison, for the mind. I dont want to face any form of manipulation. Beside, Brave is chromium based. If you want to fight the chrome monopoly, go somewhere else. I could be fine with a fork of Firefox with a preinstall uBlockOrigin, Privacy Possum, facebook container, etc.

> I wont tolerate any form of ads. Ads are a threat for free thinking. Then turn off the ad feed in Brave and enjoy the built in ad blocking. If you would still like to fund participating sites through Brave you can fund your BAT account with your own money.

Thank you for pointing this out.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by bad_user »

brettnak wrote: post #76
Dolores12 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You disable competitors ads to show your own. Something is wrong with it.

I think this largely ignores "how" ads are distributed. The website you are looking at did not select _any_ of the ads you see. They chose a network who is delegating that placement to someone else. Depending on which ad network, this could delegated by several different ad networks until an advertiser is finally selected by the final intermediary. In principle this may not be a very important distinction. However, I…

> The website you are looking at did not select _any_ of the ads you see.

That's irrelevant. In general the content creator gets to choose how their content gets monetized. They own the copyright after all.

That ads blocking isn't considered yet a copyright violation in the court of law probably has to do with the upsides, like protecting against malware and privacy.

But blocking ads for commercial reasons, like Brave is doing, only to replace those ads with their own, that's just racketeering and I hope to see them lose in a court of law.

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> I do not want to see so much garbage just for visiting a website

Then stop vising that website and go to alternative websites that treat you better. Voting with your wallet works.

Also a lot of websites these days offer subscriptions. I bet for example that 99.9% of HN visitors don't pay for subscriptions to their favorite publications.

Which would just go to show how self entitled we feel to getting other people's work for free.

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Note that I am using browser extensions, like uBlock Origin or Privacy Badger, but I'm only doing so for privacy reasons.

And I'll never trust Brave with my privacy, sorry.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by lacker »

Is Brave making any amount of money from their advertising system? I can't find any public communications about it, and I would expect them to be touting if the numbers are good.

The weird thing about Brave is that they raised $35 million from their crypto ICO, but that isn't like normal fundraising because you can only do it once. So they really need their real business to kick in and start working before they run out of that money, more than most venture-backed startups need to start making money.

Getting paid money to watch ads reminds me of AllAdvantage in the first dotcom boom. It seems cool at first when the system is juiced by investor money, but once advertisers realize the ROI is low, the money dries up.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by nicpottier »

mdorazio wrote: post #54
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

You can, though requires jumping through all the usual KYC hoops for buying a cryptocurrency, since that's what they use for micropayments. All managed through Uphold.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by carlosdp »

stefan_ wrote: post #135
have_faith wrote: post #30

If people like Brave's ad model, all the power to them. I would personally never touch it. I'm not philosophically on board with the idea that paying people to look at ads is a pragmatic way forward. It doesn't matter if it's opt-in, free-to-play games with loot crates are opt-in, but the decision to go down that road will effect their decision making process when designing new features and I don't want to be part of…

The Brave approach seems to be the same as the infamous Adblock Plus, i.e. insert themselves as a middle-man between websites & ad networks on the one side and the user on the other and under the guise of "ethical ad blocking" extract a ransom.

The difference with Brave is they also provide a mechanism to contribute those earned funds to sites you visit directly.
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