16-inch MacBook Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pcr910303 » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

zellyn wrote: post #163

pcr910303 wrote: post #99

OMG, I'm very depressed as a user who loves the butterfly mechanism. I hate the wobbly feeling that the scissor mechanism produces. Apple didn't need to return to the scissor mechanism, it should have reiterated the design. I'm very disappointed that Apple just gave up & used the safe way of regressing back. It feels like Apple is losing the spirit of doing things itself, whether other people dislikes it. Apple is mo…

“And they didn’t throw away the good parts of the butterfly keyboard — including excellent backlighting and especially the increased stability, where keys go down flat even when pressed off-center. The keys on this keyboard don’t wobble like the keys on pre-2016 MacBook Pro keyboards do.” — https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first...

Wow, that's pretty great! I'm not sure I'll change my mind until I actually touch them, but that's pretty great, kind of removes my stereotypes of scissor keyboards.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by 1_player » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #22

Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement. a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too, but it is a good compromise and improvement regardless. This could be the one a lot of people have been waiting for if the new switches/design pans out. PS - Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type and wouldn't use the touchbar regardless (sin…

> physical escape key

I'm happy we VIM users have been loud enough to get the most important key back. :-)

I know there's Ctrl-[ but it's 20 years of muscle memory to retrain, and I don't want to do that.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by joshuakarjala » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

corrigible wrote: post #83

alvern wrote: post #59

So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.

I have a similarly-spec'd System76 Oryx Pro that cost less than half. No soldered DIMM's either :)

Not saying it completely makes up for difference in price - but there is no way I'm buying a new laptop with 1080p screen

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by charleshan » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

Don't forget that the Touch Bar costs an additional $400 for consumers.

The 2015 model was the best MacBook Pro. Perhaps the best laptop yet.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by benologist » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

As the keyboard replacement program starts ending next year for the earliest lemons it will be interesting to see if Apple voluntarily recalls and replaces anything with these.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jamesfmilne » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

spurgu wrote: post #32

For those of you mentioning the esc key, I suggest mapping capslock to esc, I've been doing that for years now (both Linux and Mac) and it's awesome. Except when you're using someone else's computer and constantly turn capslock on and off... Edit: You can do this natively since Mojave(?) in the keyboard settings without having to resort to something like Karabiner.

I do that on my Macbook Pro. The only drawback is when I go to any other machine that doesn't have Caps Lock remapped and I'm toggling caps lock on/off all the time.

Particularly annoying when you're a vim user :D

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

corrigible wrote: post #83

alvern wrote: post #59

So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.

I have a similarly-spec'd System76 Oryx Pro that cost less than half. No soldered DIMM's either :)

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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Ambroos » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

retromario wrote: post #138

Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

That's actually a thickness increase of 0.7mm.

Woops! Thanks!

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by 8draco8 » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:15 PM UTC

Klonoar wrote: post #131

mcv wrote: post #104

A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned. I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.

The other brands don't have macOS. Running a Mac isn't just hardware. People were annoyed because they don't want to run a different OS. Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else... but it's not macOS. Hackintoshes need not apply here.

Let's face it iOS and need for software for it is keeping Apple computers alive. If one day it would be possible to develop iOS apps on other operating systems Macs sales would crash.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by notacoward » Wed, Nov 13, 2019, 2:15 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #43

chinhodado wrote: post #3

> Featuring a new Magic Keyboard with a redesigned scissor mechanism and 1mm travel for a more satisfying key feel, the 16-inch MacBook Pro delivers the best typing experience ever in a Mac notebook. Feels like they claim "best typing experience" every time they release a new laptop.

If you didn't think you had improved on the last version why would you release it? When you write software presumably you think each release is the best experience each time?

The standard for releasing new software is that it should be better than its own previous self, in some way. It doesn't have to be better in all ways, or best in the world in any way, so long as the overall value proposition has improved. What rubs many people the wrong way about Apple is that they always claim to be the absolute best in all dimensions, as though engineering tradeoffs or accommodation to users' priorities and preferences are only for lesser companies. "Our car is the fastest and the most comfortable and the most fuel efficient, so you'd have to be an idiot to want anything else." It's the computing equivalent of snake oil, and people react to that.