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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by dragontamer »

zaroth wrote: post #132
dragontamer wrote: post #61

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I know that's how Elon Musk sells his factories. But in reality, people are moving around boxes with their bare hands and getting their fingers crushed. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1... > Lane Dillon, an engineering student, lost the tip of his finger in a workplace accident at the Tesla Gigafactory that was never reported to OSHA.

From the article you linked, a man had his fingertip severed when a shelf he was helping install was lowered too soon. I cut the tip of my finger off with a chefs knife last year, luckily just took off about 1-2mm. The man in the story looks to have lost a bit more than that - but still has a fingernail on his right index finger. I’m not sure where the official line is drawn between cut and amputation when talking ab…

> Several hours into his shift, Dillon was helping guide a rack into place so it could be bolted into the factory floor. The racks are so heavy it takes a team of four people to maneuver them.

The issue is that these guys are moving very heavy shelves by hand, instead of using forklifts.

I would assume that moving heavy equipment around is a pretty standard case in a car factory. It probably shouldn't be lifted by human muscle, which is prone to failure and coordination issues.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by tjoff »

jussij wrote: post #69
DanielleMolloy wrote: post #63

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Can you elaborate on how you think Google is „fascist“?

Europe has lived history of governments collecting data on it's citizens. Since Google openly collects data on it's users, I suspect that fact does not sit well with that same populous.

Tesla does too. And it is much harder to get around it without modifying your Tesla.

Not sure how they can be GDPR compliant, maybe it's only in the US where all cars are tracked in real-time?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by ascorbic »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #121
seniorivn wrote: post #60

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Well, you probably not very interested in politics, if you was, you would know the answer...

I’m mildly interested in politics and don’t know the answer.

I have a degree in politics and don’t know the answer.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by john_minsk »

freeflight wrote: post #111
notJim wrote: post #27

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Placing it near that airport may be the biggest risk Musk has ever taken.

It's not open yet, there's a chance it will never open. Might even be an investment opportunity: Swoop in and buy the whole mess once the German government decides it has thrown enough money into their bottomless pit.

And transform it into rocket launchpad: - fast parts delivery from China on BFR - competition for EU launchers etc.

{joke}

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by ascorbic »

tjoff wrote: post #182
jussij wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has lived history of governments collecting data on it's citizens. Since Google openly collects data on it's users, I suspect that fact does not sit well with that same populous.

Tesla does too. And it is much harder to get around it without modifying your Tesla. Not sure how they can be GDPR compliant, maybe it's only in the US where all cars are tracked in real-time?

After the most recent update I was asked whether I would give permission for video clips to be sent to Tesla to improve self-driving and sentry mode. It was optional. The GPS tracking is required if lots of features are to work, so permission isn't needed under GDRP unless it's also used for other purposes. There are details in their privacy policy: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/about/legal

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by distances »

detaro wrote: post #93
mqus wrote: post #92

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As they want to open their factory next to the new Airport, it will basically be in Brandenburg and not in the center of Berlin (not that it would fit there). They probably will change the neighbourhood there, but automobile engineers are perceived as worker class while google techies generally are not. I also think that Google would have had no problems If they would have opened their office in Adlershof. So to summ…

> I also think that Google would have had no problems If they would have opened their office in Adlershof. Google probably could have moved their office location ~2 km and have been fine. But they really wanted to sit right in the hornet nest.

Did they really not employ anyone with local knowledge when planning the office?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by InternetOfStuff »

chii wrote: post #177
InternetOfStuff wrote: post #153

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> False comparison. Google users are voluntary. Not entirely. I can choose not to use Gmail or similar services. I can opt out of Google ads+tracking only because I'm technically adept enough. I can't (realistically) opt out of reCaptcha.

You can opt out of recaptcha by just boycotting the website which uses it. But of course by "opt out" you mean to remain a user of a service but not the parts you don't like. Whether you are entitled to do this or not is still up for debate.

> You can opt out of recaptcha by just boycotting the website which uses it.

Ah, I was waiting for somebody to make this argument, which I find somewhat disingenuous given how widespread reCaptcha's use is.

With sites I don't care about leaving them is exactly what I do - but there are sites I pay a lot of money to use, and can't really avoid using for business reasons, yet they still subject me to reCaptcha.

The path I've taken instead is to address this with the site owners. Most weren't really aware of how overreaching reCaptcha feels to some, and I've had good discussions. Of course nobody changed their site based on my complaint, but I like to think I raised awareness.

> But of course by "opt out" you mean to remain a user of a service but not the parts you don't like.

Specifically, a part of user verification. I'm still not sure why they feel they need to verify my humanity - they've got my credit card details and everything.

> Whether you are entitled to do this or not is still up for debate.

Let me ask the opposite question: is the owner of a website entitled to sell my privacy for their own (debatable) convenience?

Tbh reCaptcha irks me more than ads.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by lb1lf »

wolf550e wrote: post #170
Waterluvian wrote: post #160

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If you don't mind, this always fascinates me. What does "really cold" mean to you?

"really cold" is incorrect in a global context. The coldest place in Israel[1] gets to only just below freezing temperature in the winter. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hermon#Climate

For comparison, it is now -14C (7F or so) outside. It is considered 'brisk' (as opposed to 'really cold') by local standards.

We do have Teslas all over the place.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by Melting_Harps »

fyfy18 wrote: post #140
propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

Israel is probably just too small of a market at the moment. In most European countries there still isn't a official Tesla store or service center. I live in the Baltic's and a friend of a freind has a Model X which was involved in a minor accident (other drivers fault) last year. To get it repaired without affecting the warranty it had to be sent to Tesla, which meant it had to be taken to Finland (700km) or Germany…

Sadly, that is just where Tesla is in terms of making replacement parts, the same holds true within the US.

Even getting parts to certified shops anywhere right now is particularly challenging, its is one of the reasons I think they aren't profitable yet--they have to pay for a loaner car.

They've made a ton of progress and can now mass produce S/X/3 with reasonable turn around, but with the recent production hell ramp up with 3, they had to direct all resources to those desposit holders and that meant slowing down part manufacturing for non deliverable sales.

The factory in Fremont is HUGE but near there is a body shop where you'll see a ton of S/X/3 waiting for parts to be shipped out. I honestly thought it was an auxiliary parking lot when I saw it.

What part of he Baltics? With Rimac putting its footprint down you'd think that area would be have more of a Market for EVs.

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