First we started telling everyone about Firefox Then we told them about Chrome Now we tell them about Firefox again Google has officially reached 90s MS levels
Only far worse
Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google captcha makes some sites almost unusable on firefox if you dare to resist fingerprinting for full traceability. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20147015
I see recaptcha, I walk. There's nothing else I can do. BTW if I turn on 1st party isolation in FF, I keep feeding the fire hydrant monster for hours.
Sites with recaptcha should be boycotted as much as possible. It's a stupid, annoying test.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regardless of your opinion of his actions, attacking him here for being non-genuine doesn’t really help :/
his actions show he is disingenuous. you don't need to make any value judgements because his actions are inconsistent with his rhetoric.
I have found that picking at people for a decision that you don’t agree with is rarely useful; we already have people going through GitHub to find instances of other “disingenuous” behavior. Like the decision or not, the change is the product of an entire team at Google, and it’s not productive to harass the one person mentioned here because they’re an easy target.
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#184Is the current fold at Google too young to remember what happened when Microsoft tried this type of crap with IE6? History truly repeats itself..
are we in the farce stage already?
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#185Did anyone actually read the submission? The title is clickbait that doesn't reflect the content. The change here moves modifying content of the webRequest to the browser from the extension. This is fundamentally more secure. Allowing third-party extensions to inspect and _modify_ arbitrary HTTP requests is nothing short of dangerous. The new declarative API (from the article) limits such extensions to 30,000 rules.…
This isn't just the rule limit, and the most powerful part of extensions imo is to be able to block/modify elements at the dom level. Both for ad blocking and for customizations (reflow pages, modify css, etc). If you don't feel comfortable giving access to blockers, it's not that hard to roll your own. Just read the format of easylist.
> extensions can only monitor browser connections, but not modify any of the content before it's displayed
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#186Welp, I've been putting this off for a few years, but this is as good as moment as any to do it. Took me 10 minutes to import all bookmarks, set up extensions, and customize one or two details but it is done. So long Chrome, it was good while it lasted!
Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary
#187Did anyone actually read the submission? The title is clickbait that doesn't reflect the content. The change here moves modifying content of the webRequest to the browser from the extension. This is fundamentally more secure. Allowing third-party extensions to inspect and _modify_ arbitrary HTTP requests is nothing short of dangerous. The new declarative API (from the article) limits such extensions to 30,000 rules.…
Extensions can still inject arbitrary JavaScript into any page, so this isn't about safety and security.
Removing the dynamic capability kills heuristics, so it definitely makes ad blocking worse. There's a reason uBlock Origin is popular.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version That's just plain dumb. Explain to your users what you are doing. You seem to think they are stupid, well they are not.
Oh no, he doesn't think they are stupid, just that they don't know the difference between browsers. If my mechanic mounted a new transmission or something that wasn't the same brand as the one mounted before, and told me "it's the new version", I couldn't care less as long as it worked as intended. I don't know anything about transmissions, so from my point of view I have no way of knowing if what he's telling me is…
This reminds me that such people also think that the visual experience of browsing the internet is somehow "fixed". My impression of social media is that one of its draws (pitfalls actually) is that it gives the impression of different people experiencing the same thing, e.g.: a 100 people like this or 500 people retweeted that.
However, as programmers, we should see the internet not as a browser at all. We should see it as a list of protocols and implementations thereof.
I think a big part of the oh-so-common emotional social media battles is anticipation of the other person's experience. Hopefully for you, as a programmer reading this, your view of the internet is protected by automated command line scripts that fight your internet battles for you...
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
They still need to keep Firefox alive, because it allows them to control market concentration and avoid the antitrust issues that MS had to fight.
Google is already deeply in bed with the Democratic Party and has been buying up some just lovely Republicans at a good clip: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/google-miles-ta... While I tend to agree with you about them keeping Firefox alive, my guess is that they’re becoming less concerned with a legitimate antitrust complaint and that this “alive” will end up being “just barely.”
The US isn't the only country in the world, and I'm surprised the EU wasn't your first thought here given what they did to Microsoft and IE.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So rather than be alarmist and use this to feed into the tired narrative that "Google is killing ad blockers because it's an advertising company" That’s not alarmist, it’s the obvious truth. As a user I should have complete control over what runs on my machine. I don’t need Google “protecting” me (by breaking ad blockers). Google is the single most destructive force in the tech industry today. Very much like Micros…
> As a user I should have complete control over what runs on my machine. You do. By running Firefox. This level of control might be useful to you but it's not to most users. As much as power users chafe against things like the App Store, for example, this is clearly a win for most users. Limiting what a malicious extension could do is very much the same because I can guarantee you there are scams to get users to inst…
So it’s safe to say that people are not being alarmist about Google and should switch to Firefox.
I don’t think it’s “clear” at all that most users benefit from monopolistic app store practices. I think the giant tech companies do though.