The whole page appears as blank to me (Windows, Chrome, no addons, incognito mode).
I suspect that actually reading the article is unnecessary at this point.
Who Killed the Scrollbar?
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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I don't know what the state of this is on Android, but iOS 13 lets you grab the scrollbar and go immediately to wherever you want in a document. It's inconsistent on android, it works like that with most things but strangely not with some apps. You can't grab the scrollbar in Retroarch for example, even though you can see it. It makes scrolling through huge lists of ROMs extremely aggravating.
> It's inconsistent on android Inconsistency in Android is one of its selling features if you are in to that.
I don't mind it most of the time. I wouldn't mind if scrollbars would let you utilize them consistently though or at least work like a scroll bar should all the time. To be fair though, I've used plenty of desktop software with inconsistent scrollbar behaviour to so...
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#183I personally believe that the proliferation of infinite scrolling/pagination has a strong correlation with the disappearance of the scrollbar.
In a world before infinite scroll, the bottom of the page was indeed the last bit of content on the page. In today's world, scrolling to the bottom of a page typically loads more content.
In this new world, I can imagine designers and engineers deciding to do the simple thing which is to remove the scroll bar since it's no longer usually an accurate depiction of where the users position is in relation to all the content available.
Of course all of this solely applies to feeds and not standalone pieces of content like articles. In the latter cases I'm unsure beyond minimal aesthetics why the scroll bar would be removed.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#184Pretty brave for posting on a site that breaks the back button.
It also breaks... the scrollbar. I'm using Firefox on a Mac and expect my mousewheel to work anywhere on the page.
On this page it only works while you're hovered over their (I'm assuming) custom hacked scrollbar that lives in the middle of the page for some reason.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#185Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…
> I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones.
I think a lot of mobile designs underestimate the natural information density of phones too.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I always turn on the menu bar on the desktop. Screen real estate is valuable, but using some on a menu bar is a very worthwhile expenditure, in my opinion. I know about the "Alt" key, but I find the need to press that to pop up the menu to be incredibly annoying.
I'm super curious--how often do you actually use the menu and what do you use it for? I ask because I literally can't remember the last time I did in Firefox; everything's a keyboard shortcut. Fullscreen is F11, inspector is F12, refresh is F5 (even go-to-URL-bar is F6).
> I'm super curious--how often do you actually use the menu and what do you use it for?
I use the menu really frequently -- for pretty much anything that isn't a toolbar button.
I tend not to use keyboard shortcuts generally, but particularly if I'm just reading a website -- in that situation, my hands are on the mouse, not the keyboard, and moving to the keyboard to type a shortcut is more inconvenient than just being able to use two clicks on a menu.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I prefer it to disappear when I don't need it. My strong preference is the exact opposite of this. I want it to be there, full size, any time that scrolling is possible. It seems that this is something that should be user configurable.
System Preferences > General > Show scroll bars: Always
Which system/application is this for? Unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible) it doesn't map to anything I use.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#188The reason why scrollbars are not a first class UI widget in mobile UIs is because they are finger based, which means every manipulable widget needs to be finger sized. Making scroll bars finger sized takes up way too much screen space in mobile UI, so they were regulated to a passive progress bar indicator and the scrollbar actions were moved into swipe gestures instead. With that change you lose the ability to precisely skip around your location, probably because a desktop usage study showed that most people didn't use the the scroll bar much once scroll wheel mice were available.
Scroll bars only work with precision mice actions, and now desktop UX is legacy UX, mobile UX concepts enroach onto desktop UX, because developers do not like to create special cases, because that is more work and thus more $$$.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm super curious--how often do you actually use the menu and what do you use it for? I ask because I literally can't remember the last time I did in Firefox; everything's a keyboard shortcut. Fullscreen is F11, inspector is F12, refresh is F5 (even go-to-URL-bar is F6).
I pull down the History menu reasonably often. I'm one of the few people who still uses bookmarks too. I found that hitting alt was annoying and I'd forget about the menu and try to find stuff on the Hamburger menu instead and get annoyed.
Now that you mention it, I also use the history menu pretty frequently. I don't use the bookmark facility in browsers, though, because I run my own bookmark server (so I have access to my bookmarks no matter what computer or browser I'm using).
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fact of life is everyone copies Apple. And I really, really wish they'd stop it.
A small number of well-considered UI/UX design schemas really is a useful thing. Apple is, generally, good in many particulars. It is extremely conservative, with only two desktop models (Classic Mac, 1984 - 2000, OS X, 2001 - 2019, and ongoing, which is to say, longer than the original interface). It is ultimately completely antithetical to how I work in desktop, and I find myself vastly prefering Linux and the opti…
> A small number of well-considered UI/UX design schemas really is a useful thing.
Yes, in principle. But it becomes less than useful when the common schemas get in my way, which has been an increasing problem over the past few years. The aping of Apple's decisions appears to be a large part of why.