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Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by Terretta »

Noumenon72 wrote: post #154
nickjj wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I like peering into the lives of computer users that don't have the level of computer literacy I'm used to day to day. It's a good reminder. Yep and sometimes it happens in unexpected places. I just went to the dentist the other day. The receptionist accidentally moved her task bar to be oriented vertically on the left and couldn't get it back to the horizontal bottom position. We're on very friendly terms so she a…

Yes, when I volunteered to help senior citizens with computers right click was something none of them knew they could do, nor could they remember it from week to week. Phones and web sites are much easier.

Remember how much flack Apple got from tech pundits when they got rid of the other buttons and the middle clickable scrolling wheel? “Only one button? Savages!” But Apple was acting on observation of non-expert users, democratizing computing.

Today it’s interesting to see the favored device at both kindergartens and retirement homes: iPads.

Yet iPad’s also fine as my daily driver.

Computing is entering its appliance age.

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by aliswe »

benmorris wrote: post #163

Windows has become a complete UI disaster. I feel like Windows 7 was the last cohesive UI. The control panel is a great example. I'm not sure how it could possibly be more of a train wreck. Settings are in seemingly random locations split between the new and old style control panels. The deeper you get into dialogs it is like stepping back in time. Printers or network adapters you end up jumping back and forth to fin…

Well if it isn't Ben Morris ..... Thanks for your valuable blog posts on microservices etc. No way to contact you privately? I'm making a stateless .net core cms ...

To the topic, I agree fully. In swedish, it's even worse. Wanted to change some environment variables yesterday (golang path) and tried to find the "system" dialog that is opened through windows + break key that is found on non-laptop keyboards

Search for system? You get system information, system configuration, etc, but not the classic control-panel "app" called system.

Also, remote desktop (the tsclient) isn't anywhere to be found except by typing the improbable and kinda arcane translation "fjärrskrivbord"

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by stan_rogers »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #168
zw123456 wrote: post #142

There were a number of things that go missing when going from win7 to 10, like the games, Chess Titans (and others) disappear and replaced by ad driven crap. Also, DVD player, in Windows 7 it was included in Win10 you have to buy one or get a "free" one that is ad driven. Hard to blame Microsoft when it seems like everything has ads stuffed into it now days.

Don't forget the calculator, which used to start within milliseconds of clicking the icon, but now takes a, sometimes not even countable on your fingers alone, number of seconds to load.

The Win10 calculator is also missing a lot of functionality. Luckily, there's an easy way to put back the old calculator... but it's only really launchable if you pin it.

https://winaero.com/blog/get-calculator-from-windows-8-and-w...

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by whoopdedo »

Terretta wrote: post #181
Noumenon72 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when I volunteered to help senior citizens with computers right click was something none of them knew they could do, nor could they remember it from week to week. Phones and web sites are much easier.

Remember how much flack Apple got from tech pundits when they got rid of the other buttons and the middle clickable scrolling wheel? “Only one button? Savages!” But Apple was acting on observation of non-expert users, democratizing computing. Today it’s interesting to see the favored device at both kindergartens and retirement homes: iPads. Yet iPad’s also fine as my daily driver. Computing is entering its appliance…

They didn't "get rid of it" so to say. The Macintosh only ever had one button on the standard mouse. I can't recall any Apple computer shipping with a multi-button pointing device until the Magic Mouse.

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by otterlicious »

sorenjan wrote: post #153
wheelie_boy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the story is not that notepad is in some weird place in windows 10 - it is still where most HN readers know to find it. The story is about how regular people deal with computers, as can be read in the comments. It's like that story about how one day the google search 'facebook login' took people to a forum page that let people comment using their facebook credentials, and we got to find out how many users just t…

It was a news article on ReadWriteWeb, with Facebook comments. The number of people that not only blindly clicked the first search result out of habit, but also didn't realize that they've landed on a news article on a completely different site was stunning. Truly an Internet classic, thanks for reminding me. > Ok If I have to I will comment,I love facebook so right now just want to log in if thats ok with you..lol K…

This reminds me of the Google Play reviews for any built-in app ever:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and...

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by pmontra »

Terretta wrote: post #181
Noumenon72 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when I volunteered to help senior citizens with computers right click was something none of them knew they could do, nor could they remember it from week to week. Phones and web sites are much easier.

Remember how much flack Apple got from tech pundits when they got rid of the other buttons and the middle clickable scrolling wheel? “Only one button? Savages!” But Apple was acting on observation of non-expert users, democratizing computing. Today it’s interesting to see the favored device at both kindergartens and retirement homes: iPads. Yet iPad’s also fine as my daily driver. Computing is entering its appliance…

Right click is still here, with one button and many possible modifiers

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac/right-click-3610351

I don't own a Mac so I don't know how new Mac users discover how to do it. I remember there is something like a right click on Macs and I asked how to do it last time I had to use one for a few minutes. But if there are people that don't explore a UI with a visible right button, what are they doing with invisible controls?

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by pmontra »

usrusr wrote: post #110
komali2 wrote: post #29

This is a pretty fun submission. I like peering into the lives of computer users that don't have the level of computer literacy I'm used to day to day. It's a good reminder. > This answer is not helpful. There is no start button. Because it's just a little windows icon now - easy to forget that that doesn't just make sense to some people. > Thank you, Brian- I would surely never have looked there, for anything, never…

"A while ago there was an article where a woman was trying to user testing in a mall and instead found an old guy who had literally never touched a computer." I believe that this approach to UX testing is to blame for some of the most infuriating UI changes: when you design UI experiments with actual users you do that because you want objectivity. And what could be more objective than selecting "perfect blanks" as yo…

I agree. That old guy is not a computer user, so there is no need to build a UI for him.

To further this point, imagine testing HN with people that can't read. Do we rebuild it for children under 6 or do we wait they learn to read and grow to an age that let them make sense of the contents of the site?

And a car analogy/tale. If you drive different models of different makers you find many little differences and unobvius ways to operate some controls. I remember I had to read the manual of a rental car 25 years ago to figure how to reverse. I had to lift a ring on the stick and I never saw something like that in my life as a passenger or as a driver before (and I barely saw automatic gears by then.) That was not very discoverable. However one shouldn't bother to design car controls for elderly people like my mother. She never got a driving license, she'll never will and yet she had no problems living their life. Not everybody needs computers.

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by nitwit005 »

basch wrote: post #21
gruez wrote: post #9

>Step 1: > Go to Start menu. > Type notepad and press Enter. >I tried Step 1 prior to posting here. It doesn't work! Works for me on the latest windows. Granted, there's no textbox to type into, but it appears when you start typing.

>it appears when you start typing. This is a shockingly common problem for people. I can tell they feel uncomfortable just typing without a place "where" the typing will go. Many people will click the magnifying glass and then again place the cursor into the search field. Same with google, they will click the search field, then the cursor moves to the address bar, they feel surprise, and then place the cursor in the…

I will admit still being baffled why Google wants us to type searches into the address bar. When I first saw that behavior, I thought "but what if it's a valid URL?". Sure enough, I've made that mistake several times.

I'm sure it's a mess for less tech savvy people trying to do searches on companies that have .com or .net suffixes on their names.

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by thehogrammer »

sorenjan wrote: post #153
wheelie_boy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the story is not that notepad is in some weird place in windows 10 - it is still where most HN readers know to find it. The story is about how regular people deal with computers, as can be read in the comments. It's like that story about how one day the google search 'facebook login' took people to a forum page that let people comment using their facebook credentials, and we got to find out how many users just t…

It was a news article on ReadWriteWeb, with Facebook comments. The number of people that not only blindly clicked the first search result out of habit, but also didn't realize that they've landed on a news article on a completely different site was stunning. Truly an Internet classic, thanks for reminding me. > Ok If I have to I will comment,I love facebook so right now just want to log in if thats ok with you..lol K…

Oh my god this is amazing.

Re: Where is Notepad in Windows 10? (2015)

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Post by isostatic »

nitwit005 wrote: post #188
basch wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it appears when you start typing. This is a shockingly common problem for people. I can tell they feel uncomfortable just typing without a place "where" the typing will go. Many people will click the magnifying glass and then again place the cursor into the search field. Same with google, they will click the search field, then the cursor moves to the address bar, they feel surprise, and then place the cursor in the…

I will admit still being baffled why Google wants us to type searches into the address bar. When I first saw that behavior, I thought "but what if it's a valid URL?". Sure enough, I've made that mistake several times. I'm sure it's a mess for less tech savvy people trying to do searches on companies that have .com or .net suffixes on their names.

Because they want you to use google as your portal to the internet.

I change my Firefox copies to have separate boxes, and no search from url bar. I don’t recall offhand as it’s muscle memory, and I’m on a phone, but I think it’s ctrl-k for location and ctrl-l for search.

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