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The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by egh »

sjg007 wrote: post #174
burmer wrote: post #148

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Yes, the truth is if teachers worked their contractual hours schools would fall apart; and teachers will emphasize this point as protest! The general idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work-to-rule Some examples, many of which only do "work-to-rule" on certain days, not even on all of the days. https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/02/09/west-chicago-teacher... https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2018/01/26/ora…

Teachers should just work their contractual hours. Now that would be a protest!

google "work to rule"

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by mehhh »

femto113 wrote: post #122
mehhh wrote: post #105

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Private schools are a 10k to 15k pay haircut in Seattle, most require a morality clause that makes being LGBTQ+ a firable offence, and the vaccination rates are appallingly low compared to public schools. Seattle's Catholic Schools are single handedly bringing back Measles & Rubella as a latent disease, where it used to not exist. With Running Start being an option for the last 2 years of High School (if your in publ…

Seattle has hundreds of private schools, I doubt more than a handful have anything like the morality clause you cite, and most that I am aware of are explicit about their support of LGBTQ+. Do you have some source for your claim?

Kings School, all Catholic run schools (which are the majority of the private schools in the region) and the other various religious schools have this clause.

My neighbor was fired over it and had trouble finding work at other private schools as there are just a handful of Montessori and language immersion schools, with everything else that isn't SPS having a Morals clause.

Edit: The GSBA directory only lists 2 schools, most private schools in Seattle are not supportive: http://thegsba.org/business-resources/guide-directory/single...

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by brodouevencode »

zarro wrote: post #97

The problem with the teacher pay to me is obvious, market forces aren't allowed to play themselves out. Think about it: A teacher should be paid according to their skill, supply, and demand. A great teachers time is highly valuable and there should never be a cap on how much they make or considerations on such an important task to hinder on concepts such as tenure. If I hire a private teacher for my kids to teach the…

Everything you're saying is fundamentally correct. But because your post has a political "tinge" to it it's going to get downvoted.

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by floren »

jefft255 wrote: post #171
floren wrote: post #77

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60K CAD is 45K USD, so it's pretty damn close to the OP's cited figure.

Sure but can you buy a nice two floor house for 250k CAD in the US? In most of Quebec you can.

Since Wikipedia says "Quebec occupies a territory nearly three times the size of France or Texas, most of which is very sparsely populated"... well, yeah, you can buy a nice two-floor house for 250k CAD in most of sparsely-populated Texas too.

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by UncleEntity »

reaperducer wrote: post #146
joe_the_user wrote: post #124

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There may be the saying "all politics is local politics" but this is hardly a proof of the situation. If anything, the worst politics happens through a purely local lens - for example, the refusal of silicon valley cities build housing for workers in the companies around them based on "local concerns".

There was no specification in the OP's comment about whether it's good or bad. But the fact remains that all politics is local. With the exception of the president, people vote for their local city government, their local county government, their local school board, their local senator, their local representative, and on the macro level (governor), they vote for the person who they think will best help their own, loc…

> With the exception of the president...

Well, technically, people vote to guide the electoral college on who they should vote for.

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by adamsea »

crumpets wrote: post #69
Someone1234 wrote: post #10

This seems to use private education as a benchmark for the entire argument. From quit rates, to pay, to conditions, and beyond, but ignores the obvious which is that private pay and private conditions are largely pinned to be just above public salaries and conditions (meaning private education cannot be used as a benchmark for when someone is under-paid, over-qualified, or has too high of a quit rate because they are…

>how society decides salaries. It seems pretty arbitrary from my perspective. Society doesn't "decide". It's a decided by the labor market. Nobody wants to pay programmers six figures. It's a myth that we think teachers are less important than programmers because they make less on average. There is just a larger supply of qualified teachers willing to work at lower prices. Wait until you find out how little art histo…

Society decides the laws which regulate the labor market.

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by adamsea »

Let's also bear in mind that if we want to think of teaching as a high-skill profession equivalent to doctor, lawyer, software engineer, etc, then we should be looking at the upper end of professional salaries when evaluating teacher salaries, not the median.

Considering the outcome a good teacher can have on the life a child (even though it may be hard to measure that) I think it makes sense to imagine teaching as such.

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by mcguire »

tptacek wrote: post #161
mcguire wrote: post #123

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At least the graph in the article is "adjusted" for the 10-month work year. Typically in such discussions, that would mean they multiplied teacher salaries by 12/10 to make them "comparable" to other professions. Your $60k job is actually a $50k job with an unpaid summer off.

Are you sure about that? When the Washington Post says that CPS teachers make >$70,000, I'm reasonable sure (but not 100% sure) that's their actual annual compensation. When my kids old school district reports high-school teachers make $110,000, I know for a fact that's their annual comp, not something normalized to their "working months".

Good point. I'm being hyperbolic. But in these discussions you do have to be careful that someone hasn't annualized a 9 or 10 month salary like the article.

Re: The myth of the teacher pay gap?

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Post by mcguire »

Mirioron wrote: post #175
jschwartzi wrote: post #113

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Yeah, and this makes so much sense considering how easy it is to find a high-paying 2-month temporary job. /s It's the old "You don't understand, teachers only work 10 months out of the year!" argument but dressed in some nice statistical clothing. It's asinine to make that argument because teachers can't actually get paid for the other two months. When I was temping in a warehouse unloading shipping containers one s…

On the other hand, plenty of people working other jobs that would like to have 2 entire months off every year.

Sure. It's one of the biggest advantages of teaching. But you still can't pay for groceries with time off.
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