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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by knodi123 »

elif wrote: post #175
godelski wrote: post #126

Reading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call…

If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

well, a meteor could fit your description.

but more generally, what he's saying is that the sensors are not infallible, especially when dealing with advanced materials.

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Post by ComplexSystems »

As a mundane note, what is the reason that the audio quality in this video is so poor? It sounds like they're using walkie talkies from the 1970s. How can the US military, which spends more money than anyone else, have Navy pilots using heavily distorted audio communication systems that aren't even as good as a standard cell phone?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

elif wrote: post #175
godelski wrote: post #126

Reading the linked Vice article >"Based on pilot accounts, encounters with these UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) often involved complex flight patterns and advanced maneuvering, which demand extreme advances in quantum mechanics, nuclear science, electromagnetics, and thermodynamics.” - Walker > Republican representative Mark Walker of North Carolina This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? Can we call…

If you're going to call his use of those terms incorrect, can you explain a craft travelling supersonic without jets or rockets, leaving no emissions, utilizing no airfoils, consistent with our understanding of physics?

A meteorite? A projectile? A sensor ghost?

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by Retric »

rblion wrote: post #34
driverdan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know what I saw but they were not weather balloons, satellites, planes, planets, stars, or meteors. If you don't know what they were then you can't rule out these other things.

I used an astronomy app on my phone to verify the satellites, planets, stars, meteors part. They moved around in a non-linear fashion at will, they were intelligently operated. One of them disappeared in a flash...

Things disappear at night when they turn their lights off. It’s common to confuse it with extreme speeds, but I am not sure why.

PS: One of the strangest things I saw in the nights sky tuned out to be one of these: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5J52MLXXUy4 My perspective of how large and fast it was ended up being completely wrong.

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Post by NateEag »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #163
NateEag wrote: post #157

Time for me to burn some karma. What evidence do we have that these phenomena are strictly natural? There are some ingenious explanations in this thread of how you could create something like this effect with known technology. If we don't a priori eliminate it on the grounds it is impossible (as a Christian, I do not, but many here do), I imagine that supernatural beings trolling humans (especially modern scientific…

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. The principles of science do not allow us to rule out the possibility that these events are the result of alien life or supernatural phenomena. But it does give us plenty of evidence that there are more mundane, more plausible explanations. And when you're faced with a potentially world-changing revelation, like confirmed contact with extraterrestrial life, it is bas…

I understand all that.

If the entities actually behaved as described (which is a big if, no doubt - people make mistakes and a military test might be trying hard to deceive them) - no visible exhaust, massive instaneous acceleration/deceleration, etc...

Sure, it could absolutely be a natural phenomenon.

But it's not crazy to say the claimed hoofbeats sound kinda stripey.

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Post by reilly3000 »

rblion wrote: post #11
reilly3000 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just heard a recent Joe Rogan episode with Dan Aykroyd - this topic was the majority of their discussion for at least 45 mins.

thanks! going to listen now with a cup of tea, great way to end the day.

I’m not personally convinced about the veracity of all of that, but I’m amazed at the scope and specificity of what they discuss.

The reality I see is several hundred thousand people can believe virtually anything, and all agree with each other. Look at the anti-vax movement, which today compared itself with the civil rights movement. Also, flat-earth and creation science come to mind. I can’t say if any of these are right or wrong about their respective claims, but their tactics and communications styles are largely similar. The group’s metaphorical center of gravity becomes so dense it manufactures its own credibility from within.

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Post by typeformer »

cdumler wrote: post #171
chubbyrabbit wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is laughably stupid. QM and nuclear science? I see nothing stupid with using quantum mechanics and nuclear science in this context. > Can we call out politicians for just throwing in words that they don't know what they mean? I'm sure they know what those words mean on a surface level. They don't really need to understand them beyond that point, it's not their job.

I do. When you say this is an "unidentified aerial phenomena" or an "unidentified flying objects," that means it's unidentified. As in: we do not know what we are looking at. You don't get to say, "well, we don't know what this is; therefore, it must be aliens." You say, "We don't know what this is. Until we have more information, there is no conclusion to make." Nothing more. Full stop. The end. And, certainly not t…

Yeah sure, but the fact remains that the government does know, has known, and continues to keep secret that these really are alien craft according to dozens of respected military whistleblowers who courageously came forward to break their NDA's and tell the truth on the subject.

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Post by [deleted] »

one2know wrote: post #31

The videos are of real aircraft recorded through a FLIR pod. When zoomed out far enough the aircraft simply look like fuzzy ovals as demonstrated in this video https://youtu.be/jWjpnCKcj8M?t=136 For some reason people in the military and government are trolling the public, perhaps as part of a campaign to discredit news agencies.

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Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by geomark »

I watched Joe Rogan interview Bob Lazar [1] which seemed mind blowing if everything he said was true. But then I went and researched it and seems more likely he came up with some fantastic stories to keep himself out of prison after he got caught taking a bunch of friends up to the mountains to watch some classified experiements of a particle beam device. It's not my field of study, but some opinions I read were that the government is developing, not offensive weapons, but devices to confuse enemy sesors (radar, FLIR and visible light sensors, including human eyes). They claimed that a beam of charged particles could be focused such that it would create a glowing ball of plasma(?) at a distance and sensors would interpret is a craft of some sort. Since it is a particle beam it can be moved around in ways no solid object could.

So these things are tests of this particle beam confuser, not alien spacecraft. I dunno. With my limited understanding is seems more likely.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ

Re: Tom Delonge’s UFO Research Center Is Making Politicians Demand Answers

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Post by NateEag »

krapp wrote: post #162
NateEag wrote: post #157

Time for me to burn some karma. What evidence do we have that these phenomena are strictly natural? There are some ingenious explanations in this thread of how you could create something like this effect with known technology. If we don't a priori eliminate it on the grounds it is impossible (as a Christian, I do not, but many here do), I imagine that supernatural beings trolling humans (especially modern scientific…

>What evidence do we have that these phenomena are strictly natural? Well... natural phenomena are the only phenomena for which evidence exists at all. That's why the Bible says faith is the evidence of things unseen, as opposed to data.

That sounds like circular reasoning to me - you seem to be saying that if we can observe something it must therefore be entirely natural.

That doesn't follow, though. The obvious example would be that if Jesus actually rose from the dead by a miracle, then people who were present could see him and put their hands on his scars.

Is the supernatural inherently not scientifically testable?

Absolutely.

It does not follow that it could never be observed at all, if it exists.

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