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Re: Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy with $10B plan to settle claims

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Post by usertrjx »

brogrammernot wrote: post #157
DickingAround wrote: post #154

I have a high level question; a lot of want to legalize drugs. Ending the war on drugs and all that. This is a drug that was legal and a lot of people got on it and now we're angry. Why? I don't like that people got hurt. I also recognize that bad drugs are bad. But I can't find a way out of "tell people drugs are bad and they have to make their own choices." Is the problem here the doctors told them the bad drugs we…

OxyContin isn’t a bad drug, it’s a highly addictive drug and the company knew it was highly addictive & not only didn’t do enough due diligence to make sure prescribers didn’t over prescribe it but also intentionally encourage that behavior which has led to an epidemic. However, food for thought on that same subject is the over prescribing of amoxicillin and other similar class of drugs for viruses. The doctor is ope…

can you explain the issue with Amoxicillin and viral use? Is it that amox does nothing for viral infections, and was prescribed anyways?

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Post by mikeash »

darawk wrote: post #178
mikeash wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rich are touchable if and only if they harm other rich people. See also: Bernie Madoff.

Did Epstein harm other rich people?

Yes. He involved a lot of other rich people in his crimes. This was OK as long as he kept it under wraps, but once people started really looking into his activities there was a major risk of the fallout affecting others.

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Post by lp251 »

avgDev wrote: post #171
bgorman wrote: post #61

One naive question - why are doctors who overperscribed opiates still allowed to practice medicine?

Doctors are not researchers. Some doctors might dig deep but others go to work then go home and spend time with their families. They also have bills to pay and school loans. I can't recall the story exactly but there was a doctor who spoke out against a popular medication. He found that it increased a chance of a heart attack I believe by over 50%. They released a small study in a journal and his existence became a l…

do you have any suggested reading material?

what kind of chronic pain do you have?

i've had persistent joint issues that started shortly after a round of levaquin, a very similar drug.

Re: Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy with $10B plan to settle claims

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Post by diag »

usertrjx wrote: post #181
brogrammernot wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OxyContin isn’t a bad drug, it’s a highly addictive drug and the company knew it was highly addictive & not only didn’t do enough due diligence to make sure prescribers didn’t over prescribe it but also intentionally encourage that behavior which has led to an epidemic. However, food for thought on that same subject is the over prescribing of amoxicillin and other similar class of drugs for viruses. The doctor is ope…

can you explain the issue with Amoxicillin and viral use? Is it that amox does nothing for viral infections, and was prescribed anyways?

Bacterial co-infection is a risk with viral infections, the problem is that antibiotics have been prescribed as a first line script when it isn't indicated.

Re: Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy with $10B plan to settle claims

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Post by cies »

vorpalhex wrote: post #153
cies wrote: post #138

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there are so many ways a huge corp can commit crimes while individuals can all use the "plausible deniability" card. also often the crime is committed by the company as a whole, while no individual did something wrong. > Then noone would invest. i disagree, you just only invest in ethically sound endeavours. and thats exactly what im trying to achieve by my suggestions. starve bad-business from investment and/or peop…

How is any investor supposed to be able to do any level of research approaching that depth, much less a college kid or your grandparents? "Sorry Grandpa, I know you thought that company was on the up and up, but we're gonna have to take your retirement."

exactly. no boundless protection for your capital/investments. you can do all kinds of other investments! but this kind of structure pushes corps to become "walk over dead bodies" evil, and investors not giving a shit.

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Post by avgDev »

lp251 wrote: post #183
avgDev wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doctors are not researchers. Some doctors might dig deep but others go to work then go home and spend time with their families. They also have bills to pay and school loans. I can't recall the story exactly but there was a doctor who spoke out against a popular medication. He found that it increased a chance of a heart attack I believe by over 50%. They released a small study in a journal and his existence became a l…

do you have any suggested reading material? what kind of chronic pain do you have? i've had persistent joint issues that started shortly after a round of levaquin, a very similar drug.

There is a subreddit dedicated to it @ reddit.com/r/floxies. There is a facebook page, which I honestly would not recommend, as it is really toxic.

Popping/clicking joints, and not intense pain just dull/achy. These drugs are known to cause peripheral nephropathy and tendinitis. I actually just read an interesting blog about a guy that is insanely fit, recently was given levaquin with prednisone, and continued to lift. Then, tendon in his arm snapped. He is documenting very well how his body is deteriorating and what new symptoms he is experiencing week to week. I think it would be worth posting on HN, I will send you a link when I find it.

Edit: It appears any flouroquinolone can cause these symptoms, this includes levaquin, cipro, avelox. Also, symptoms can develop after a single pill or 150 pills. It is insanely odd. Taking it with a steroid significantly increases chances of having a very negative reaction.

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Post by 0x262d »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #136
0x262d wrote: post #108

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what capital says is that under capitalism, the ruling class will continually set up dumb rules, such as this one, in their favor, and they have a structural advantage in doing so, so are increasingly successful at it until it provokes revolt.

They'll do that under any system (you can find examples in basically all of recorded history). The people on top always try to use their power to put in rules to stay on top. I'm not convinced they somehow do it more or are more capable of doing it under capitalism than they were under the 18th century monarchies or socialism of the USSR and its satellite states or any of the other societal structures that have come…

you're right that they will do it under any system of class society, with a minority expropriating class and a majority producing class, such as have existed since the invention of written history. that's why marx called for abolishing classes, absorbing everyone into the working class, replacing the structure with an egalitarian, democratic structure to decide how to invest all resources, as the only way out.

russia didn't have the economic basis to get rid of basic material scarcity in 1917, and also was constantly under attack by capitalism, and so it devolved into an undemocratic mess until it reverted (now everything is even worse there).

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Post by projektfu »

Alex3917 wrote: post #165
projektfu wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I think the underlying story is that doctors used to be more apprehensive about prescribing opioid painkillers, and when they did they prescribed lortabs or something like that for acute cases and they wouldn't put refills on or rewrite the scripts when asked. Then, along comes Purdue with a claim that OxyContin, because of its unique formulation, is a big addiction concern and is safe to prescribe for chronic…

> Then they (and a couple other manufacturers) basically conducted a successful campaign to convince doctors that undertreatment of chronic pain was widespread and they were basically letting their patients suffer, strongly suggesting that this may be considered malpractice in the future if they do not start prescribing more opioids. That was/is the position of the IOM though. Was Purdue involved with convincing the…

Yes, when ideas become fashionable, they become the conventional wisdom.

Re: Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy with $10B plan to settle claims

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Post by projektfu »

projektfu wrote: post #162
brogrammernot wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OxyContin isn’t a bad drug, it’s a highly addictive drug and the company knew it was highly addictive & not only didn’t do enough due diligence to make sure prescribers didn’t over prescribe it but also intentionally encourage that behavior which has led to an epidemic. However, food for thought on that same subject is the over prescribing of amoxicillin and other similar class of drugs for viruses. The doctor is ope…

Yeah. I think the underlying story is that doctors used to be more apprehensive about prescribing opioid painkillers, and when they did they prescribed lortabs or something like that for acute cases and they wouldn't put refills on or rewrite the scripts when asked. Then, along comes Purdue with a claim that OxyContin, because of its unique formulation, is a big addiction concern and is safe to prescribe for chronic…

Oops, I meant is not a big addiction concern.

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Post by darawk »

mikeash wrote: post #182
darawk wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Epstein harm other rich people?

Yes. He involved a lot of other rich people in his crimes. This was OK as long as he kept it under wraps, but once people started really looking into his activities there was a major risk of the fallout affecting others.

Ok, but his crime was not hurting other rich people. He got in trouble because he did something that hurt non-rich people, and then other rich people got wrapped up in that. This is not an example of rich people only getting in trouble by hurting other rich people.
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