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Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by rolltiide » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 7:05 PM UTC

nostrebored wrote: post #166

rolltiide wrote: post #116

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an outdated version of both. Here's a bunch of buttons! What do you mean you didn't install the CLI, discover your system has mixed up versions of the package manager, and finally get around to running this convoluted command, after you learn how to get a list of IDs from your organization with the CLI

The AWS cli is a simple pip install and the CLI documentation nearly universally includes samples. Input and output can be JSON. There are a lot of legitimate complaints about AWS but the CLI is pretty decent.

It has a steep learning curve.

Every time something new roles out and AWS doesn't have a button for that one thing, your static site trying to follow the best practices now needs to know this and have python package managers installed and updated.

I would say it is a legitimate complaint, it is a horrible user experience amongst people who aren't even considering what other people would think of it.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by omni » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 7:23 PM UTC

kristianpaul wrote: post #79

KaiserPro wrote: post #78

I know many people will disagree, but I really miss the VMware fat windows client. (vsphere 5, before they ruined it with the weird flash hybrid that didn't work properly) That, was a paragon of design reliability and speed compared to the AWS console. What annoys me the most is the sheer weight of each page. If you have to context change, its multiple seconds before the page is useable. A classic example is lambda.…

You know that nothing stops you from using aws apis and making you own UI right?

In many cases AWS's absurd rate limits would make it hard to build a functional UI even if we wanted to. I imagine this is one major reason why list views and filtering/searching them is a disaster in every major AWS service.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by jjeaff » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 7:24 PM UTC

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #40

RonaldSchleifer wrote: post #23

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It’s interesting you mention the shopping site. I have found their site horrible ever since the beginning and only marginally better since done of their belabored efforts to polish some things. I feel like both WAS and the shopping UI/UX are dependent on an overarching common effect; your willingness to suffer in order to get the hit of addiction. On the shopping site it’s the relative speed and gratification of the…

I'm curious, could you point me at a shop that has a better UI? So far, all the other online shops I used so far (and that have a varied set of items) were either on par or much worse. Most of them were bog slow, search didn't work as expected, or some other aspect failed to work properly. Those that were on par were for specialised products.

Https://Walmart.com

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by oscarwao » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 7:26 PM UTC

jayd16 wrote: post #141

Terretta wrote: post #65

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Noting your verb tense, “I was”, I’m assuming you’re no longer in that role. This isn’t feedback, just discussion. I talked to Jassy after his keynote in 2018: “Your message says AWS is for ‘builders’. Why do you keep saying ‘just click and ...’ instead of ‘just call the API and’?” In short, to your point: AWS is for builders... who pay. And right now all the growth is in enterprise, where we don’t know how to make A…

Google's cloud put a CLI in the web console. Its hilariously ironic but it solves for this, I suppose.

So did AWS. See https://aws.amazon.com/cloud9/

Not just a shell but a robust IDE in the cloud.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by omni » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 7:37 PM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #180

The problem with AWS teams in general is their arrogance. I dread having to deal with them. They are destroying Amazon’s reputation. Don’t want to bother you with specific examples, but every interaction I had with them was dreadful. I think this attitude gets reflected in their console design.

I'll share my frustrating experience with them just for fun https://github.com/boto/boto/pull/3093

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 7:47 PM UTC

nostrebored wrote: post #171

scarface74 wrote: post #46

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The only part of the console that I absolutely hate is dealing with the Parameter Store. But I hate everything else about the parameter store too so there is that. CodePipeline is pretty bad too. There is no way you can create a cross account code pipeline from the console.

Cross account setups from the console are generally not allowed.

You can assign cross account permissions for S3, sharing AMIs, sharing KMS keys, SNS permissions, etc.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by shepardrtc » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 8:38 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #161

shepardrtc wrote: post #120

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I think that the vast majority of UI's in AWS are perfectly fine. But there's one that drives my entire team insane: the AWS Parameter Store Holy mother of god, the search on it is horrific and simply doesn't work. Heartfelt begging through the feedback tool goes unanswered. I have offered money, firstborn children, sacrificial goats, virtually everything. But the search is still broken :( I've had to scroll through…

Parameter Store is such a god awful experience via the UI. But everything about parameter store is awful. - severe unchangeable, undocumented limits before you get throttled. Throttling is so bad that if you have too many parameter store resources in your CloudFormation template it will start causing errors because CF is trying to call the API too quickly - the only way around it is to use DependsOn and chain the cre…

We've hit the throttling issue many, many times. Everything about Parameter Store is difficult. And its a shame. Its such a simple concept. They have enormous resources, so why not throw a couple of devs at it?

In any case, we do also use redis. It might be worthwhile to pitch an idea to move over to that. But we pull the parameters in bash scripts using a custom tool called aws-env, so we'd probably have to make or find something similar for redis.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by sl1ck731 » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 9:08 PM UTC

adreamingsoul wrote: post #44

These comments are fascinating to me. I was responsible for designing, leading, and building the frontend for an AWS service. One of the challenges was with obtaining useful feedback from a diverse range of people. During the product definition phase, the majority of the feedback, input, and feature priority was for customers who were planning to dedicate a large budget towards using said service. I often felt that s…

"The universal thinking within AWS is that people will ultimately use the API/CLI/SDK."

What is odd is that during the Chicago summit one of the presenters explicitly said that most of their customers use the UI instead of API/automation. I don't recall the percentage but it was higher than I imagined.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by AnonymousPlanet » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 9:23 PM UTC

zabhi wrote: post #48

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #40

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I'm curious, could you point me at a shop that has a better UI? So far, all the other online shops I used so far (and that have a varied set of items) were either on par or much worse. Most of them were bog slow, search didn't work as expected, or some other aspect failed to work properly. Those that were on par were for specialised products.

You can check https://www.flipkart.com/ or https://www.myntra.com/ . Both belong the the same group. They are fast to load and feel very lite, in spite of being very client heavy.

Thank you! The first has sluggish loading pictures. But that's maybe because I'm not geographically within the target area.

Both feel more modern than Amazon, yes. I didn't test the checkout page and billing/shipping mechanics.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Post by AnonymousPlanet » Sat, Sep 07, 2019, 9:28 PM UTC

jjeaff wrote: post #183

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #40

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I'm curious, could you point me at a shop that has a better UI? So far, all the other online shops I used so far (and that have a varied set of items) were either on par or much worse. Most of them were bog slow, search didn't work as expected, or some other aspect failed to work properly. Those that were on par were for specialised products.

Https://Walmart.com

Thank you! This seems like it wants to show me too much at the same time. That makes loading assets slow. But it's more modern than Amazon's shop. Though I'm not sure if that is a good thing after comparing this and the examples in the sibling comment with Amazon's more pedestrian take.