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Maybe one day our cyberpunk corporate overlords will be able to fine governments for this kind of shit.
Ain't gonna happen. In reality, our cyberpunk overlords will fall over themselves to provide the best level of service to the highest paying autocratic government customers.
Good on Twitter and Facebook. On top of blocking thousands of websites (which includes Facebook, Google, Twitter) China's government employs thousands of government employees just to purge even the most mild criticism of the CCP on Weibo [1]. They also employ tens of thousands to export their propaganda overseas, using sock puppet accounts to push their worldview[2]. And their worldview is fiercely anti-democratic. T…
>The Internet cannot remain free if we allow governments to use their power to control narratives and suppress the truth. I wish more people applied this same line of reasoning towards the US-based social media companies themselves. If we hold true that Twitter's influence is so powerful that world superpowers are gaming it effectively to control narratives, then why aren't people more outraged at the near constant c…
What can technically-savvy Americans with moderate resources on hand do to help the protesters?
My YT overlord lately decided I should watch Jackie Chan commentates about the situation in Hong-Kong [0]. I was very surprised to see the English comments almost unanimously support China. Would have expected the opposite sentiment. [edit: stupid me, the uploader is CGTN, a well-known state propoganda channel] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7rIg49I0yI
I found it to be a curious position, seeing as he is adored by Hong Kongers, and always seemed to identify as / with HK.
I don't think HN is immune to these kinds of CCP ops.
The problem is that calling someone a paid, or unpaid shill on HN is unproductive. There's a world of difference (But little way for a third party to tell apart) between: A paid shill. An unpaid troll. Someone who genuinely believes what they are posting, because they do not have the same information you do. Someone who genuinely believes what they are posting, despite having the same information as you, because they…
I'm pretty sure this was the podcast where I heard that: https://samharris.org/podcasts/145-information-war/ (Relatively near the beginning of where the guest comes into the podcast, if I remember correctly.)
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Hong Kong has independent jurisdiction system. So yes, they are living under a system where due process is respected.
What's that worth to Hong Kongers when they can simply be renditioned to Beijing? Does it make sense to you why Americans were extremely upset when the US government did that to people in foreign countries during the Bush administration?
Yes. It is upset. It is also upsetting that the U.S. actually have limited due process as well (thus, can forfeit the asset without due process). There are practical reasons why, but it is still ideologically upsetting.
Was in China when the first protest happened and the news coverage was mostly saying things like that the people are clueless in Hong Kong and don’t understand the law about extradition. They had various experts all saying similar things and they would also point to random weibo posts about totally not on the payroll “people” saying they want their city back from the protesters.. I mean it’s one thing if China’S cent…
> but dressing it up as “lots of ordinary folks agree with them” is pretty disingenuous I wouldn't say it's disingenuous... given that there's nothing legally preventing mainland-Chinese from choosing to live in HK, and then being quoted as people who want "their" city back. Odd to think, but HK is now experiencing a real Red Scare , the likes of which the US only ever imagined in the depths of paranoid delusion. The…
This is completely wrong.
Mainland-Chinese may only move to Hong Kong to reunite with family, and they have to apply for a One-Way Permit, which has a "quota of 150 people per day and the waiting time for spouses is currently 4 years": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China_P...
To even visit Hong Kong requires applying for an Entry-Exit Permit in person, and duration is typically limited to 7 days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit-Entry_Permit_for_Travelli...
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Right. This part of the work is left to the foreign-living chinese nationalistic diaspora. They get their directions from the CCP nonetheless. Again, for casual readers: Chinese people in the US who don't support squashing democracy fighters in HK (I think/hope that's the vast majority of them - maybe more hope now that I'm being downvoted) are awesome.
Devils advocate. Perhaps it's less they get directions and more they actually hold those views. Which, we could say is because brainwashing since youth and perhaps there is some truth to that. But I think likely the biggest thing is the same thing that motivates everyone else. Self interest. They want to see an expanded China with greater say in world events and greater share of the economic pie. Because it would ben…
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Your basically complaining that paper can be used to write whatever you want on it, by you and by people you don't like.
Not even close to an accurate comparison. It's not just paper - it's a printing press that can push your message directly to a device into the pocket of people who belong to specific groups that you want to target.
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Even here on Hacker News, a week or so ago I saw someone being chided for “breaking the HN guidelines” by calling out a sock puppet. When I looked at the comment history of the account doing the chiding, all of its comments were on China related articles, taking a pro-China view.
There are two site guidelines that apply to this. First, it's not ok to use HN primarily for political, ideological, or national battle. If a commenter is posting as you describe, we ask them to stop. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20727426 . But by no means does it follow that a commenter behaving that way must be a sockpuppet, astroturfer, shill, spy, foreign agent, etc. That's where the second guide…
You need to up the Karma req for downvotes.
@Dang, Look at my current comment hist... I provide a valuable perspective. Even if others disagree with me.
YC as a greater community is greater than the sum of its (unicorn) parts.
Stop fucking censoring people for some lame idealogical moral standard which you dont even meet yourselves.
We are here to learn, to teach, to expand one fucking thing "KNOWLEDGE" stop knowBlocking (just coined that haha)